Next gen anchor? Bah humbug.... - SailNet Community
 47Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 63 Old 01-06-2018 Thread Starter
Master Mariner
 
capta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: somewhere south of civilization
Posts: 7,709
Thanks: 157
Thanked 411 Times in 399 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

We pulled into Clifton Harbor in the early afternoon of Dec 31st, to clear into the SVG. I love Union Island and it's always a pleasure to visit there, but as I peered into the harbor from the entrance, I was amazed. The harbor was packed with more boats than I ever imagined it could be. As many as three Lagoon 52's were rafted up on a single mooring, making huge square blocks of water unavailable to yacht or dinghy. The pocket cruisers had snuck between anchored or moored boats as only a pocket cruiser can. In other words, it was a tiny bit congested.
Where oh where was I gonna stick this boat for the 2 hours it usually takes us to get our customers ashore and back, and clear in? There was room in the deep area of the south side of the harbor, but we really didn't want to lay that much chain out for a lunch stop. There were usually a few good spots on the north side, near the Anchorage Hotel, and it was pretty shallow with good holding. I wove through the assembled melange of vessels, nationalities and bikinis, just hoping for that sweet spot.
And there it was, a lil hole. Just at the port stern of a catamaran block and just far enough forward of a single 50+ foot cat to clear her mooring line when we swung. But of course, I'd not be writing this post if things went well, would I?
Unexpectedly, a chain link jammed itself in the spurling pipe. This had never happened before and at that point we had about 70' of chain out in 40' feet of water. OOPs. Now what? Was I going to drag through all these boats with that big Rocna and chain down there, until Nikki cleared the snag? But that's about as far as my thinking went, because I realized that she was coming head to wind and going nowhere. That silly lookin' next gen anchor was holding on less than 2:1 scope! Never drug a foot from where it hit bottom, I guess. Once the jam was cleared, we eased off to about 3:1 and got our business done in Clifton and headed around to spend New Year's Eve in Chatham Bay.
That was one [I]sweet[I] New Year's present for this old guy. And again, thank you Nicholas, for the next gen anchor.

"Any idiot can make a boat go; it takes a sailor to stop one." Spike Africa aboard the schooner Wanderer in Sausalito, Ca. 1964.
“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.” ― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

facebook.com/svskippingstone
capta is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Senior Member
 
Lazerbrains's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: On a Boat
Posts: 884
Thanks: 10
Thanked 39 Times in 39 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

Nice to hear it. I recently replaced my trusty CQR at the insistence of cruising friends who had seen them drag (never happened to me). New anchor is a Rocna - have used it twice so far, but was easy to get a set.
Lazerbrains is online now  
post #3 of 63 Old 01-06-2018 Thread Starter
Master Mariner
 
capta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: somewhere south of civilization
Posts: 7,709
Thanks: 157
Thanked 411 Times in 399 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazerbrains View Post
Nice to hear it. I recently replaced my trusty CQR at the insistence of cruising friends who had seen them drag (never happened to me). New anchor is a Rocna - have used it twice so far, but was easy to get a set.
If your experience with Rocna anchors follows ours, I think you'll find them a lot easier to set than un-set! lol
Lazerbrains likes this.

"Any idiot can make a boat go; it takes a sailor to stop one." Spike Africa aboard the schooner Wanderer in Sausalito, Ca. 1964.
“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.” ― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

facebook.com/svskippingstone
capta is online now  
 
post #4 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
bell ringer
 
Don L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bahamas
Posts: 4,455
Thanks: 11
Thanked 125 Times in 111 Posts
Rep Power: 12
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

The past year and half my Manson Supreme has always set fast and never dragged in the face of many nasty gales and changing current conditions. Meanwhile my wife’s thumb will be the same after our then cqr didn’t hold in a baby gale.

Those next gen anchors are great! Yet everywhere I go someone is selling a cqr and at a ridiculous high price.

Don't blow air up my rear, be useful and blow it at the sails!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Don L is online now  
post #5 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Old soul
 
MikeOReilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 4,269
Thanks: 263
Thanked 199 Times in 186 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

Quote:
Originally Posted by capta View Post
If your experience with Rocna anchors follows ours, I think you'll find them a lot easier to set than un-set! lol
Very true. This past season I almost had to abandon our Rocna twice because it was so well dug in.
RegisteredUser and capta like this.

Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MikeOReilly is online now  
post #6 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Senior Member
 
SanderO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Westchester, NY
Posts: 4,411
Thanks: 2
Thanked 113 Times in 113 Posts
Rep Power: 13
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

The deal with replacing an anchor is... you need a reason to such as having a hard time for whatever reasons with the one you have. Shiva came with a CQR and I anchor whenever we cruise for a stop... neve stay at a dock or in a slip or rental mooring. I also lived about 4 years on the hook. Have I dragged? Sure a handful of times... not bad for 25+ years with chain and windlass.

NextGen seem great. Were I to replace I would definitely consider one. But I have dimensions issues basically... fitting it snug on the bow (roller). It likely will mean modifying... the bow roller / stem bit. Doable but clearly a PITA.

Secondly... I would like to take a few NexGens for a test drive. Why not? What if I don't like it for any reason? You can't return these things I suspect. But there is no reason why one couldn't take them for a spin.

Is that crazy or not?

pay attention... someone's life depends on it
SanderO is online now  
post #7 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Old soul
 
MikeOReilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 4,269
Thanks: 263
Thanked 199 Times in 186 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

SanderO, I went from a CQR/Danforth combo to the Rocna. I used the old combo for years on both my current boat, and my previous one (34’ ketch). Nothing wrong with a CQR. It’s just that the new gen anchors are just better.

Compared to my CQR, my rocna sets faster and easier. It digs down better. And it resets better. Not that the CQR won’t do all these things (set, dig, reset), it’s just that the rocna (and I presume all ‘new gen’ anchors) does it better.

The other benefit I’ve found is that the Rocna covers pretty much the same range of bottoms as my previous CQR/Danforth combo. I would routinely switch between the two older ones, depending on the bottom. The Rocna covers it all. That said, I still carry a large Danforth, as well as a Bruce and an over-large Fortress.

BTW, my current boat came with a large CQR. I went with a Rocna b/c after careful measurements I found that it too fit perfectly on my roller.
capta likes this.

Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MikeOReilly is online now  
post #8 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: The Bahamas
Posts: 4,121
Thanks: 3
Thanked 153 Times in 151 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

Quick set...imo, is the biggy.
Dot it now.
Not farting and playing around.
RegisteredUser is online now  
post #9 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: The Bahamas
Posts: 4,121
Thanks: 3
Thanked 153 Times in 151 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

There are a few good tests/reviews on the tube for anchors.
The ones that aren't sponsored are the ones to look for.

I sold off the CQR (real Scot made) that came with the boat (great rep for CQR...in demand) and got a Mantus for main anchor.
Chose FX-16 as a 2nd. It's light.

The big important thing is ability to set fast.
That's what the newgens do.
RegisteredUser is online now  
post #10 of 63 Old 01-06-2018
Senior Member
 
SanderO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Westchester, NY
Posts: 4,411
Thanks: 2
Thanked 113 Times in 113 Posts
Rep Power: 13
 
Re: Next gen anchor? Bah humbug....

I will not dispute the above... I have no experience. As far as "setting time" I have no problems in most of the bottoms I drop in... the anchor sets and I know it sets because of my "tell tale" snubber w/ a mooring compensator. Setting time I assume means having to reset???? or what?

pay attention... someone's life depends on it
SanderO is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Gen water ballasted anchor barefootnavigator General Discussion (sailing related) 21 02-01-2015 11:01 AM
Microwave and gen. nauticalrich General Discussion (sailing related) 11 10-23-2012 01:13 PM
Which gen-set do you have? HARDWORK Gear & Maintenance 12 10-29-2009 10:48 AM
Leaky Deck Fittings - Bah! SEMIJim Boat Review and Purchase Forum 37 06-28-2007 10:02 AM
Catalina 27 '79 Had the survey today.... bah saurav16 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 15 05-14-2007 01:12 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome