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Most people with money have it because they are smart. Smart people often make decisions that seem foolish to poor people.

I just spent $30,000 on a rifle.
Actually, no. Most people with the sort of money to drop millions of it on an Oyster have it because they were born advantaged, luckily enough. Most people who have the sort of money to buy the other 99.5% of boats are smart, as they were able to make a more meager basis work for them without that sort of cosmic luck. Sure, you have a silicon valley billionaire here and there...but the myth of the "self made man" has always been a comically rare occurrence.

Smart people routinely make decisions that are objectively foolish, just like anyone else.

Bragging on a message board about dropping 30 grand on a rifle isn't something that's going to support the notion of conflating wealth and intelligence.

But what do I know? I'm only an astronaut who moonlights as a brain surgeon when not doing kegstands while wearing a Chinese-made MAGA hat.
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In recent years they haven't really built a boat smaller than 60ft with most in the 70-100 ft range.
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This might be another sign that the monstrous 'roomarans' are where the bigger bucks boating market is heading. They certainly have a luxury level that far exceeds any monohull when you get to the 70 foot plus range. I've even seen circular staircases
Yes I think this has been their fundimental error.
They haven't been able to compete in the smaller ranges so gave had to creep bigger.
But a inherant failing of a mono hull is you can't see out from the saloon like you can on a catamaran.

The Caribbean is full of cats now. The majority of new builds?

My next boat will be a cat.


Oysters other problem was they were not builders. They had yards l over the world beuiding for them. Remember that insane time they were doibg the 53 in New Zealand? But the 55 was being done somewhere else, like Turkey?

Beneteau/CNB/Janeau/Lagoon has shown you need a production line like Henry Ford.

Very surprising to see oyster go down. Very.

Oh, the ice maker on one I saw was undrr the stairs next to the mast compression post. You needed to get down on your knees to get ice for your cocktail! They weren't as good as some thought.
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For the poster who posted the pic of the sinking boat, damage control featuures aren't a gaurantee, they just improve your odds. They are another layer in the proverbial onion.

Its possible to sink nearly any boat.

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For the poster who posted the pic of the sinking boat, damage control featuures aren't a gaurantee, they just improve your odds. They are another layer in the proverbial onion.

Its possible to sink nearly any boat.
I think the point is more that in this case, that specific yacht sinking has played an unfortunate role in the demise of Oyster yachts.
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Husbands won't "miss their sailing" on cats. No one has to miss "sailing" on a cat. What exactly do you think cruising cats do out there?

Apart from that - you're right. The new boat market is definitely shifting toward multihulls...for more space, more "luxury", and better sailing.
Have you even seen a 70 foot plus cat? Obviously fracking not or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous post. They are about as far from a cruising boat as a mega-motor yacht. They are huge luxurious vessels with circular staircases, galleys for the "real" chef to create gourmet meals, walk in freezers, bars on every deck and most have hot tubs for 8 or ten people. I've never seen any of that on a "cruising" boat, have you?
At 70+ feet you are kinda leaving the "cruising" boat idea for most folks, monohull or catamaran. I've seen very very few 65 foot plus family or retired couple cruisers.
But hey, if you've got the bucks to buy a 70 foot luxury roomaran and go cruise it, then I'll owe you an apology. Otherwise....

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Its possible to sink nearly any boat.
Even the "unsinkable" Titanic, it seems. LOL

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I think the point is more that in this case, that specific yacht sinking has played an unfortunate role in the demise of Oyster yachts.
Maybe, but two posters had already made that point and I don't see why my comments about compartmentalisation being a favourable feature for high latitude expedition sailors was quoted. Oyster did appear to be targeting that niche (based on their own marketing material).

My point was, for that kind of work (Greenland, Northwest Passage, Labrador Sea etc.) aluminum boats are maybe becoming more popular due to abrasion resistance and improved construction quality. The increase in popularity in aluminum boats might be impacting any fibreglass boats ability to compete in icey markets.
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Best I can tell, any fiberglass boat that rams an iceberg and stays afloat long enough for rescue, has done a damn good job. I'll take one of those! There's a pretty famous steel boat that couldn't......

I don't think the 2010 article posted has anything to do with Oyster's demise, nor rebuts their expedition seaworthiness. The more recent 80 footer that lost her keel might be. It seems it was a manufacturing flaw. Could be they lost their product liability insurance coverage, or it became so expensive, building the boats wasn't profitable.
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Even the "unsinkable" Titanic, it seems. LOL

I call BS!

The Titanic never really sank! I saw the movie.
Its just in another dimension with the USS Enterprise fighting World War II.
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I call BS!

The Titanic never really sank! I saw the movie.
Its just in another dimension with the USS Enterprise fighting World War II.
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I've seen this before!
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Shove a stick in his mouth!"....... Cap'n Ron
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