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Cultural differences can not be easily understood by travellers. But it's very important to be able to identify these differences... That's education ☺️

That we use language differently dies not make it correct or incorrect... It's just different. (recent example America being a Republic / democracy / both etc. Those words have a different meaning outside the USA. Surprised the hell out of me)


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Well said. Of course, now that you've said it we should have a discussion about the varying chemical properties of aluminum vs aluminium.
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......"Hero" is a classic. Now it means little or nothing.
You are absolutely right. To me, a hero is someone who is risking their own life to protect another. Every cop, every firefighter, every soldier. Varying degrees, of course. Not a heart surgeon, even if they pull off a 1 in a million success.

The other biggest watering down of meaning we have is the gross overuse of those ending in ".....ism" You fill in any one you like, from race to sex to whatever. They are dropped so often, at the slightest provocation, we are now missing a word for the true meaning of the vile discrimination they are to suggest.
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FWIW - I believe that the first and only agency to respond to this incident was Sea-Tow.


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Anyone know if their sunken boat has been removed yet?
I dont know, but Im going to be camping on Shell Key in about 10 days. Johns Pass is only 1/2 hour sail away. If the boat is still there- there will be photos (and possibly some video).
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I assume they did not have a survey done?? If they did I'd find a different one for my next boat....
One would hope that the monies they spent which about equaled the purchase price of the boat included a marine survey. The keel bolts and signs of fatigue at the joint are one of the first things they check for on that type of boat.

The boat being high and dry up on stanchions in the boat yard in Tarpon Springs, which has a fine maritime tradition and many competent boat shop's and marine surveyors, for several months presented ample opportunity to inspect the keel. I hope the months spent working on the hull did not mostly mean a Bondo job filling the gap where the keel was separating from the hull.

I live in Clearwater and there are several ASA Schools in the area along with the Community Sailing Center which hold sailing classes for $100 or less and there are also Certified Captains with verifiable credentials who will go out on your own or their boat (they recommend using yours so the training will be specific to how yours is rigged) and spend a day or two giving you personal training for again around $100 and most are agreeable to having your family included for the same price. If planning on circumnavigating then there is also Chapman's School of Seamanship in Stuart Florida which would be the best choice and the couples rate is not bad at all for a 4 day course with accommodations. Chapman's also has donated boats they can sell you and are forthright enough to tell you up front which have known issues are better for blue water sailing, etc.

The Sailing Tubes while entertaining do many times present that you do not need to know how to sail and can figure it out as you go along, highlight gratuitous nudity and present near fatal incidents as humor. Some watch just to see what nasty laceration is the guy going to get this time or for the yoga sessions.

Still if someone handed me the keys to a brand new 2.5 million dollar sailboat saying it was mine if I posted a 15 minute video once or twice a month I might consider it. No nudity but maybe a loin cloth... Just looked in the mirror and we'd better keep it a mystery all covered up in baggies and long sleeves so forget the loincloth. ;>

BTW: Abandoning a boat on public waters or land is a Felony in Florida so the owner can be prosecuted if they do not remove the boat.
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marketing is driving bad outcomes
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On being a First Responder. While the term is used loosely First Responders are a team of Federally Recognized Individuals who have been Trained and Certified to be allowed into Disaster Areas to Assist Survivors, Survey Damage and Begin Re-establishing Order.

Some have very specialized assignments like Triage of the injured to determine which to treat so that the most can be saved. I do not know if I would be up to that duty of marking people on the forehead with a colored permanent marker so that attendants will know which to rush into treatment and which to just try to comfort as they pass.

It is a very solemn duty and you have to be prepared to just put your life and occupation on hold at a moments notice and bug out to the disaster area. One has to have the utmost respect for anyone who volunteers for this duty civilian or military.
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On being a First Responder. While the term is used loosely First Responders are a team of Federally Recognized Individuals who have been Trained and Certified to be allowed into Disaster Areas to Assist Survivors, Survey Damage and Begin Re-establishing Order.

Some have very specialized assignments like Triage of the injured to determine which to treat so that the most can be saved. I do not know if I would be up to that duty of marking people on the forehead with a colored permanent marker so that attendants will know which to rush into treatment and which to just try to comfort as they pass.

It is a very solemn duty and you have to be prepared to just put your life and occupation on hold at a moments notice and bug out to the disaster area. One has to have the utmost respect for anyone who volunteers for this duty civilian or military.
Saw this first hand during Katrina. I was one of the initial Red Cross voluenteers in Biloxii gulf coast area. I followed the first responders in before the situation was actually stabilized. The initial triage process was in effect and to me who was really unprepared for the devastation I saw and was now in the midst of, seeing the categorizing of people was very unnerving psychologically to me. I had seen death before but was unprepared for the overwhelming despair of the residents let alone trying to deal with the absolute devastation which is was surrounded by on a grand scale.

The training of the real first responders in emergency is apparent when you see professionals who work in the situation. First responders are trained in different areas and have different tasks. Some Are medical. This is what many people identify with. Some police who are there to establish the security in the situation ( ie the mass shootings we see) ( or even hostage situations) . Some are infrastructure specialists like electricity, sewerage, water, building structures, . Some are even psychological to help the actual first responders in other disciplines cope with what they are seeing/ feeling being placed in this situation. They helped me greatly understand what I saw in Katrina.

First Responder really is a specific person / category depending on the crisis so their is no overall definition or criteria. It certainly doesn’t necessarily mean the first to arrive on the scene.

In a boating emergency situation rescuing people certainly many CG as well as law enforcement have been trained in elements of initial response. Many have trained and practiced protocols which allow them to effectively deal with emergency situations . These are some of the elements of a first responder. The overriding premise is to stabilize the situation. Deal with the trauma through the triage process. Keep the responders safe from injury . Life comes first . ( both the responders and the visctims) Then property.

It’s impossible to place a cookie cutter tag on who/ what is a first responder. However worldwide many people share the protocols on these situations so there are good or perfected practices in dealing with whatever emergency is encountered.


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Cultural differences can not be easily understood by travellers. But it's very important to be able to identify these differences... That's education ☺️

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Even in the same country people might use a term to inflate their deeds. Case in point what is considered a "rescue dog":
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Abandoning a boat on public waters or land is a Felony in Florida so the owner can be prosecuted if they do not remove the boat.
Yeah this is the only part of the story I care at all about.

I pass no judgements whatsoever on the two kids. Less prepared people have cut the lines and lived the dream successfully.

But they made an expensive mess on my beach, and I don't want to pay for it. If they clean up after themselves, I will think no ill of them. If they don't, hopefully the treehuggernazis in the .gov will actually do something productive for once, and go after them and their now $16000 GFM loot.
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