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I would recommend not getting into an argument on "right of way" with a powerboat. Yes he can avoid you easily but maybe it's on Auto Pilot and no on one stands watch. A powerboat running 30+ mph offshore is not someone to tangle with. In any case there is no right of way anymore. You are in the obligation to avoid a collision. All the rules you learned in the past are mute now. The rule is "Avoid a Collision" . Don't be Dead right.

Why do powerboats run 30+ mph offshore? The boat runs much smoother over 30 and crappy between 29 and 12.

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Had an interesting encounter today, in open water. I had my main up and was motor sailing hard on the wind. Blowing 18 kts. Forward and to my starboard is an incoming powerboat, positioned to cross my bow. Since we are both being propelled by machinery, the powerboat is stand-on, so I fall off 30 degrees to starboard to take his stern easily. For the next 30 seconds, itís clear the powerboat will cross well ahead of me. There is no risk of collision, but he hasnít crossed my bow yet. Suddenly, as we get closer, he makes a hard turn to his port and avoids me altogether.

My first thought was he thought we were ďsailingĒ and he had a responsibility to give way, despite the fact that would have crossed my bow with plenty of room. When I see a sailboat hard on the wind, with just a main, making good speed, I know heís motoring. He may not have known.

On the other hand, he may just be ignorant altogether and couldnít even tell who was going to cross whom.

Since no paint was swapped, allís well that ends well. I think thatís in the rules.


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Of course if you were south of Brenton Point you should have had the required inverted cone raised, although doing so may just increase the likelihood that such poweboats would pass closer to see what it is.

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Had an interesting encounter today, in open water. I had my main up and was motor sailing hard on the wind. Blowing 18 kts. Forward and to my starboard is an incoming powerboat, positioned to cross my bow. Since we are both being propelled by machinery, the powerboat is stand-on, so I fall off 30 degrees to starboard to take his stern easily. For the next 30 seconds, itís clear the powerboat will cross well ahead of me. There is no risk of collision, but he hasnít crossed my bow yet. Suddenly, as we get closer, he makes a hard turn to his port and avoids me altogether.

My first thought was he thought we were ďsailingĒ and he had a responsibility to give way, despite the fact that would have crossed my bow with plenty of room. When I see a sailboat hard on the wind, with just a main, making good speed, I know heís motoring. He may not have known.

On the other hand, he may just be ignorant altogether and couldnít even tell who was going to cross whom.

Since no paint was swapped, allís well that ends well. I think thatís in the rules.
Did you display your day signal for motor sailing?
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Of course if you were south of Brenton Point you should have had the required inverted cone raised...
I think he is technically required to show the inverted cone in both International and Inland water.

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If in order to follow the rules you need to pull out the book, itís too late. Rules threads are endless and only really prove that basically no one knows the rules.

The safest thing people can do is assume every boat they come across is being driven by me. I donít know the rules so you should protect yourself by staying out of my way!!!!!

See how simple it is.

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Iíve yet to see a day shape on any sailboat that doesnít have a red light at the top of their mast at night.
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I’ve haven’t seen any sailboat once outside coastal waters of any nationality that doesn’t have send/receive AIS in some years.

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The 30kts boat isn’t a trawler nor a ship nor a sailboat maybe a big sport fish with a good helmsman or a fast ferry or a clueless inebriated jerk. Assume the later and run parallel to him until he’s past or his intentions are clear. As most appropriately stated if they are not near you they can’t hurt you.


We use running lights when coastal but the tricolor offshore. Unless the sea is flat running lights are to low on most sailboats (except very large ones) to be constantly visible.

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