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hasher 07-31-2018 07:03 PM

This is a disgrace.
 

RegisteredUser 07-31-2018 07:18 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
The story is written to invoke emotion.

troy2000 07-31-2018 07:49 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RegisteredUser (Post 2051542594)
The story is written to invoke emotion.

And that's a problem, why? Does 'invoking emotion' invalidate the facts recited in the story?

capta 07-31-2018 08:30 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
Perhaps, if SNSM were to inform the owners and masters of those yachts in excess of something around 30 meters, that in the future they would need to call a commercial towboat, these owners might realize what they were losing, even if it was too late. It might get the smaller boats to begin contributing as they are less likely to be able to afford a commercial towboat. Continue with lifesaving operations for all, but stop saving these thankless owners and masters thousands of Euros for a tow. Commercial tows (we're not talking Sea Tow here) are very expensive.

Arcb 07-31-2018 10:08 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
In both Canada and the US, lifeboat crews of critical stations are fairly well paid professionals. The salaries of the crew and the boats are paid for with tax dollars. Surely the government of France has a way of dealing with this shortage, if it really is a critical lifeboat station?

capta 07-31-2018 10:31 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
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Originally Posted by Arcb (Post 2051542662)
In both Canada and the US, lifeboat crews of critical stations are fairly well paid professionals. The salaries of the crew and the boats are paid for with tax dollars. Surely the government of France has a way of dealing with this shortage, if it really is a critical lifeboat station?

From what I've read, the lifeboat crews in the UK are also voluntary organizations, so perhaps this is a European thing. Maybe this is more like the Power squadron than the British lifeboat societies because I'm sure the French military does do SAR stuff.

troy2000 07-31-2018 10:44 PM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcb (Post 2051542662)
In both Canada and the US, lifeboat crews of critical stations are fairly well paid professionals. The salaries of the crew and the boats are paid for with tax dollars. Surely the government of France has a way of dealing with this shortage, if it really is a critical lifeboat station?

I don't know about France. But lifeboat service in the United Kingdom is provided not by government, but by the RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institution): "a charity which relies on donations from the public. Since it was established in 1824, the RNLI is estimated to have saved c.140,000 lives. It employs some crew members but most, 40,000 in total, are volunteers who leave their work, families or beds whenever their lifeboat is needed."

add: I did a little research. Apparently, lifeboat service in France is also provided by a volunteer organization, the Société Nationale de Sauvetage en Mer. According to Wikipedia, "65% of funding comes from the private sector (donations, bequests and sponsorship) and 35% comes from the national government, the regions, the départements and the local communities."

SeaStar58 08-01-2018 12:22 AM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
If its a private charity then ask the Marina's to build in support to the docking fees or turn it over to private enterprise. Why is a Volunteer Non-Profit Lifeboat Service spending so much on TugBoats anyway. Wouldn't they save more lives with smaller, faster and much cheaper rescue boats?

Besides why are they not just transferring one of their other 149 rescue boats over to assist. They also have quite a large paid staff for a Volunteer Non-Profit with 1,200 on the payroll and 5,800 volunteers which comes out to around 1 paid staff member to every 4.8 volunteers which is a bit heavier than the expected 20 to 50 volunteers per paid staff member. Perhaps the president of the Société Nationale de Sauvetage en Mer, Xavier de la Gorce, also needs an audit to see why with over 20 million euros in their annual budget they were not able to set aside the funds to get a new or used rescue boat to replace the 30 year old one.

Am I off in wondering why a lifeboat charity is appearing to be spending so much on tugs capable of towing the mega yachts of the ultra wealthy instead of staying more focused on the task of saving lives?

jephotog 08-01-2018 12:51 AM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaStar58 (Post 2051542688)
Am I off in wondering why a lifeboat charity is appearing to be spending so much on tugs capable of towing the mega yachts of the ultra wealthy instead of staying more focused on the task of saving lives?

The story is ridiculous. They could easily solve the budget problem, by not towing the boat until they gave up all the $50,000 bottles of Cristal onboard first. I am with you Seastar, with all that money floating around this coast this service should not be volunteer and the funds to support good equipment should be provided by the marinas and whoever else profits from the megayachts visiting. I seem to recall paying a peso to walk down a dock in Mexico to get on a charter boat. They could start a dock tax based on dinghy size or start a Tow Boat FR.

MarkofSeaLife 08-01-2018 04:41 AM

Re: This is a disgrace.
 
The French Société Nationale de Sauvetage en Mer (SNSM) Charges for call outs!

I was charged US$2,000 for a 5 mile tow last year when the engine spat the dummy off a dangerous lee shore and I didn't know the harbour to sail into.

$2,000!!!

And the have the AUDACITY to ask for gifts?

They can shove it up their French clacker!

BTW Insurance paid it without excess payment by me. Pantanious is good.


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