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ICW, how late is too late?

Will try to make this short. We made an offer on a boat in Annapolis about three months ago. We never came together on price. Got an email yesterday from broker that the owner would now accept our last offer. Figures. So get to the boat in about a week, spend two weeks commissioning and head south near the end of October.

Would this just be a chilly grind or an enjoyable trip? I have left Newport with snow on the deck in December but was in the Gulf Stream in 24 hours but not sure about putting the wife through at least two weeks of possible hell to get to South Carolina and eventually north Florida.

Anyone else left that late and enjoyed it?

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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

Why not go outside and make better time, weather permitting?

Chilly time of year, but common and doable, if you have a dry cockpit. You need to get below Cape Hatteras before the water warms.


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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

Why not go outside and make better time, weather permitting?

Chilly time of year, but common and doable, if you have a dry cockpit. You need to get below Cape Hatteras before the water warms.

p.s. I just had a deal on a new boat fail, solely due to the time it would close, freezing temps and the immediate need for relocation. Price accepted, but owner and broker were not cooperative. Good deals now, but Spring is easier.


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Why not go outside and make better time, weather permitting?

Chilly time of year, but common and doable, if you have a dry cockpit. You need to get below Cape Hatteras before the water warms.

p.s. I just had a deal on a new boat fail, solely due to the time it would close, freezing temps and the immediate need for relocation. Price accepted, but owner and broker were not cooperative. Good deals now, but Spring is easier.
That was kinda the plan. Do the ditch to Beaufort, NC and wait for a northwesterly window to jump to Charleston then wait again for a window to Port Canaveral where we are next in line for a slip. It's that Annapolis to Beaufort run of two weeks where average lows are 30-40s. I think I may end up single if the heater dies. [emoji15]

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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

We left Annapolis area at the end of October last year and took our time heading south via the ICW. We arrived in Saint Augustine around Christmas, in Daytona early January. Some of the pace was due to waiting out 3 gales along the way. Some due to commitments along the way that delayed us like needing to be in Pawleys Island, SC for Thanksgiving. Last year it was colder than normal, according to many. December got cold. We were thankful we had an enclosure as it would have been miserable otherwise. Plus some supplemental heat to warm the cabin in the evening at anchor. There was ice on the deck in St. Augustine after Christmas. It even hailed.

Leaving in late October is fine, especially if you have an enclosure! We woke to a solarium! The days weren't too bad. Get cozy at night.

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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

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That was kinda the plan. Do the ditch to Beaufort, NC and wait for a northwesterly window to jump to Charleston then wait again for a window to Port Canaveral where we are next in line for a slip. It's that Annapolis to Beaufort run of two weeks where average lows are 30-40s. I think I may end up single if the heater dies. [emoji15]
I'm sorry, but if your wife would be uncomfortable in the milder temperatures of late October/early November, even an hour spent in the Gulfstream in a northerly would probably be the last time you ever got her out on a boat. Beyond that, it is downright dangerous and once in it, there is no turning around as it's just as bad any way you go.
Of course, you could get lucky and manage to stay in the countercurrent, however, I wouldn't take that chance.

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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

Doing the ditch "late" might actually be nice. Lots of wildlife, possibly less traffic? Bringing woolies & hot chocolate might make any cold sessions bearable.
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Re: ICW, how late is too late?

It sounds to me like the owner does not want to pay for winter storage, and has come to the realization that you made him the best offer he is likely to see.

This may have no bearing on the OP, but it reminds me of a situation that I went through. Years ago I made a below-asking-price offer on a boat. I felt, at the time, that it was a good offer. The seller counter offered, so I met him half-way with a counter-counter. I expected the broker and seller to graciously accept. Instead, the broker stated that the seller's counteroffer was as low as the seller would go, he didn't understand why I wasn't jumping on this opportunity, and the broker felt this was a "screaming deal." I disagreed and asked him why he didn't buy it if it was such a deal. I let him know that I would be looking at other boats.

Two weeks later the broker approached me to say that the seller would now agree to my last offer. I thanked him for that information, but let him know that I was no longer interested in dealing with either him or the seller. Three months after this dance began I learned that the seller had finally sold the boat for the price of my final offer. Nine years later, I am happy that I did not buy that boat or deal with that seller.


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Anyone else left that late and enjoyed it?
I just made it down to Florida today and am about 3 weeks ahead of my trip 2 years ago. But, there is currently low traffic on the ICW overall and I think a lot of cruisers are delayed due to weather. But weather wise it all depends on what you are used to as if you are cold.

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I disagreed and asked him why he didn't buy it if it was such a deal. I let him know that I would be looking at other boats.

Two weeks later the broker approached me to say that the seller would now agree to my last offer. I thanked him for that information, but let him know that I was no longer interested in dealing with either him or the seller. Three months after this dance began I learned that the seller had finally sold the boat for the price of my final offer. Nine years later, I am happy that I did not buy that boat or deal with that seller.
Amazingly similar circumstance just happened to me. I made an offer, raised it a bit, when it was declined and gave a reasonable deadline to accept the updated offer. Seller was radio silent right through my expiration date. He countered higher by ~5% a few days later and I said no. Another week passes and he comes back and takes my offer. At that point, I’ve made calendar commitments out three weeks, so survey then closing would be out near Dec 1. The only update in my willingness to accept was that the seller’s full time Captain had to move it to a warmer climate for me. No way I or another crew was going to shake it down in time to leave before Christmas. Better yet, this Captain was already prepped and ready to head South now. They refused. The broker even refused to help. I rejected the boat.

To be clear, the seller was buying another boat and keeping his Captain, so it wasn’t like he was being set free. I even offered to pay the Captain for the time.

My wife didn’t trust the broker the day she met him. Seemed like a spoiled kid to her. This really pissed her off, as she loved this boat, and she doesn’t want me to deal with him at all now. We’ll see. I do have a trust problem with both the seller and broker.


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