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Re: Boat purchase concerns

I had the same question. What numbers are your husband concerned about? The numbers on the 350 seem to be the close to same or better than all of the relevant numbers on the 36 and so should be offer be easier to sail, have better motion comfort, and offer more performance.

The only seemingly different number is the Comfort Ratio which is a formula that was debunked years ago as being pretty much useless in predicting the actual motion comfort of a boat. As Brewer put it, he was being tongue in cheek when he wrote the formula and while it was useful when boats were all very similar, it provides no useful information when comparing boats as different as a Catalina 36 vs a Catalina 350. The reality is that the 350 should have the more seakindly motion since it has better damping than the 36.

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They can be used legally, but they are normally used quite blatantly to provide "untraceable" hosts for pirated material. And, the way karma works, is that lots of folks also embed malware in Torrent files figuring, hey, you're stealing copyrighted material, so who are you going to complain to when they crash or hack your machine?



BE VERY CAREFUL WITH TORRENT FILES. Run at least one, preferably several, malware checks before opening any of them.



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You can use a VPN like Orbot or a browser like Opera (which includes a VPN) so that your computer "is" in France or Denmark or Austria...even though it is in Passaic.



In this day and age, authors should be able to figure out how to skip the studio machines and just let folks pay to see their work.
A bit off-topic, but...thanks?

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Your right, Minne. And I'll swear evil elves cross-posted it. As so many highly elected officials have said, I have no knowledge of that.(G)
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Yes, my husband has been looking at displacement/length ratio, sail area/displacement ratio, ballast ratio, length/beam ratio, capsize screening factor, motion comfort ratio, power/displacement ratio, and design hull speed! He knows these aren't absolutes but it is a good way to compare different boats.

By the way, our main intent is for cruising, not racing.
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Yes, my husband has been looking at displacement/length ratio, sail area/displacement ratio, ballast ratio, length/beam ratio, capsize screening factor, motion comfort ratio, power/displacement ratio, and design hull speed! He knows these aren't absolutes but it is a good way to compare different boats.



By the way, our main intent is for cruising, not racing.
Certainly all those different specs help to get a better idea of what to expect out of a boat, as long as you know how to interpret the differences.

When it comes to performance, PHRF handicaps are a reasonable reflection of what you can expect from a boat. They already take into account things like SA/D ratio, waterline, keel type etc. In order to produce that number. Even if you don't plan on racing, there is something to be said for having a more performance oriented cruiser. Typically you are going to find they are lighter, and have more powerful sail plans, which makes them more lively and enjoyable to sail than a heavy cruiser. A lot of cruisers need quite a bit more wind before they come into their element.

Of course much of it depends on where you intend to sail. Where I live the winds are often light in the summer. I can't tell you how many times we have been having a lovely sail, and all around us the heavy cruisers are motoring, because they just need more wind to get going.on the other hand if you sail in a windy area you might like having a stiffer boat that doesn't get overpowered easily.

Unfortunately some production cruisers place more emphasis on interior luxuries than on sailing performance. Catalinas walk that thin line between the two. They are roomy and comfy, but their sailing performance is pretty average. Not terrible, just not particularly noteworthy. (No offense to Catalina owners! It's just one man's opinion!)

It's all about priorities. Is it more important to have that little extra luxury when you are at your destination, or is the journey more important? It's about find the right balance for YOU!

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That is quite a range of boats and prices over those years.

As a previous owner of a C-34 (2004) I am surprised about the headroom issue. There were obviously many iterations of the 2000+ produced and you were looking at a 1.5 and I owned a II. The new owner of my old boat is 6'4" and one of the things he liked about it was the headroom. Not many boats with loads of headroom at that height, but maybe Catalina added some for the II's.
The C-34 and C-36 are very similar. Cockpit is identical in the same vintage hulls. Salon and head are different and could make a difference is which you picked. V-berth in the C-34 is longer and one of the biggest of any builder in that size hull. If you are looking for cruising make sure that your tall sons lay down in a birth, as they may find a boat that they can stand up in but it may not allow them to stretch out in berth.

Both boats sail well for what they were designed for. They will take much more than you will as far as weather. Great online groups that can answer most any question, and a manufacturer that will answer your questions even on a old boat.

The 34, 35, and 36 were all available when I bought the boat new. The 35 did not interest me as it felt more like a motor home below( my opinion) than sailboat. Working with a dealer that sold Catalina, Bene, and a few other brands his statement was that the Catalina was pretty much bullet proof compared to many in the way it was designed. Much easier to fix as they are designed with systems accessible.

I started to look again a few years ago in a weak moment. Criteria was 34-36 Catalina, 2004 and newer, in the Great Lakes. I was surprised that there were more 350's than 34 and 36 even though they had a much shorter production run. Not sure what that tells you.

Good luck with your search. Great Lakes are great cruising grounds.
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