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There are more containers on the street for recycling. I suspect soon we will see packaging with little to no environmental impact. The burden can't be on the consumers... industry MUST play the major role.

I've seen this time and time again.

Most of the recycling one does is not even enough to make a blimp, but I do it because I don't want to be adding to the problem. But things won't change until the corporations change.

I have always thought evil things would be fun. For example, the politicians who put out their plastic (or paper) signs... if the day after elections... anyone could take that sign to a redemption center and said politician would be responsible for a $100 bounty, you would be there wouldn't be political signs still along the road in May.



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Representative Nunes went so far as to call the straw policy "Welcome to Socialism in California!" Oooh, spooky scary socialism.

So you have to ask for a straw instead of being given one. Big deal. This gets transmuted into STRAW BAN, which then gets transmuted further to SOCIALISM!!!

I don't get this... why do republicans feel the need to indulge in a fear fetish like this.


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the difference between communism/socialism and capitalism

with capitalism, you have people governing people

and the evil communism/socialism is just the opposite



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Cute jab. I didn't say emotions were the real problem. I did say it was simply emotional to claim all the roadside waste on Rt 9W was going to end up in the ocean. You don't even believe it.

I was trying to point out that misstating or overstating the facts will run off potential supporters of reducing ocean pollution.

You might want to clean up your typos before the new edit period expires. Then again, I think the meme was beneath you.
Oh, it was just a friendly jab, Minnetonka. Nothing serious at all.

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Just my 2 cents worth....a proud and fortunate Canadian

It's frustrating to see garbage lying around especially in pristine places. Like others, we make efforts to pick it up for the slobs who think they're too important to carry their own sh!t back out. Why? To teach my kids and their friends that it's not ok to leave your crap all over the place. The sad part is that we're also enabling the polluters......

We talk about voting, but with corporate and special interests...not much hope of change there (but it's worth a shot).

We are all to blame as good little consumers, this isn't a USA vs. China vs. Saudi Arabia thing. Pushing our values on others isn't fair and doesn't work anyway.

We have a wallet and since business is all about wanting to take money out of that wallet, you have that power. Remember McDonald's packaging up until the late 90's? It was awful....foam containers everywhere. Why did it change? Because people got fed up, spoke up, and threatened to close their wallets. Bottled water is another example. Don't like it, quit buying it. Better still, write the company and tell them why you didn't purchase their overpackaged treat-of-the-week. The point is, a company wouldn't produce it if no one wanted to buy it.

There are all sorts of alternatives to using plastic...we just forget what it was like to have a Coke out of a glass bottle, to ride in a car where metal actually shows, to carry water in a leather bag, to use something until it's absolutely worn out and of no real use anymore...

A lot of countries of all levels of wealth think like us...that's a great start. We can lead by example....the gross polluters will be standing alone for all to see; that's when things will change.

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“Americans used about 50 billion plastic water bottles last year.
How is that possible?!! That's 156 plastic bottles for every single man, woman and child in the country per year! Every person throws away a bottle every 2.3 days?? How do people use so many bottles? When do you find the time to buy and drink that many? A can of soda/water every 2 days? And I think I used maybe 4 plastic bottles last year, so someone else was using even more..
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Representative Nunes went so far as to call the straw policy "Welcome to Socialism in California!" Oooh, spooky scary socialism.

So you have to ask for a straw instead of being given one. Big deal. This gets transmuted into STRAW BAN, which then gets transmuted further to SOCIALISM!!!
Of course! As Karl Marx said: "first we make people ask for straws at Applebee's, then the proletariat will seize the means of production and retain the value of their labor"
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They had Applebees in the mid-late 1800's?
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How is that possible?!! That's 156 plastic bottles for every single man, woman and child in the country per year! Every person throws away a bottle every 2.3 days?? How do people use so many bottles? When do you find the time to buy and drink that many? A can of soda/water every 2 days? And I think I used maybe 4 plastic bottles last year, so someone else was using even more..
In my circles hardly anyone drinks tap water at all anymore, even where it is perfectly good.

And few buy large bottles, 10-14oz in large slab cases from the supermarket, these days often delivered.

And most health-conscious people drink water more often than soda or juice.

Crazy I know but then from a green POV, the US has been over the top for 70-years now, most families owning private vehicles, dishwashers, disposals, clothes driers on and on.

My kids's friends had never seen a manual can opener, had no idea how to operate it. Electric pencil sharpeners in the classroom
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They had Applebees in the mid-late 1800's?
Of course. We have always had Applebee's..
Except back then with was called "Sir Applebee's Fine Dining and Infinite Straws"
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They had Applebees in the mid-late 1800's?
Sure. Lincoln had a standing reservation at the Applebee's next to the Ford Theater. He always joked about how he was going to emancipate the 2-for-1 appetizers.

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