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Been looking at this beast for weeks while I do a refit and for the life of me I can’t figure out what it is. Aluminum hull, named ThunderHead. The extreme tumblehome speaks to an early design for sure. S&S maybe?Can anyone identify what this boat is?-410617ce-9250-4542-94eb-8bef9a6dec25_1560901821330.jpeg
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Re: Can anyone identify what this boat is?

Hughes maybe. @paulinnanaimo could likely verify.

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Re: Can anyone identify what this boat is?

If I had to guess that looks like a crudely modified version of one of the S&S Maxi's. My first guess that is the old Tenacious (Dora, War Baby) but if not then she might be Running Tide or one of her sisterships.


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Hughes maybe. @paulinnanaimo could likely verify.
I understand why you might say Hughes since a lot of their boats were S&S designs but Hughes never made a boat with coffee grinders. That is a big boat and probably alum.

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Re: Can anyone identify what this boat is?

Fair enough Jeff, I can not gauge size on my phone too well.
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If I had to guess that looks like a crudely modified version of one of the S&S Maxi's. My first guess that is the old Tenacious (Dora, War Baby) but if not then she might be Running Tide or one of her sisterships.
Yeah she’s definitely big. 50+ easily though hard to tell tucked away like it is. Definitely aluminum. Figured the old school fin and skeg rudder put her post Intrepid at least.

The crude modifications look like someone tried to turn a race boat into a cruiser. Wouldn’t be the first for sure. Don’t think I’d want coffee grinders on my cruising boat. Lol.

Always dislike seeing odd ball or older designs like this wasting away in back lots of boat yards. I’m methodically going through the S&S design book looking for a match. She’s got pretty lines, home built dogbox and solar mounts notwithstanding.

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Damn Jeff I think you nailed it. S&S Design 2089 matches what I’m seeing pretty darn close. It’s the design T Turner did the Fastnet in 1979 on. We may have a winner here.
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The crude modifications look like someone tried to turn a race boat into a cruiser. Wouldnt be the first for sure. Dont think Id want coffee grinders on my cruising boat. Lol.

Always dislike seeing odd ball or older designs like this wasting away in back lots of boat yards. Im methodically going through the S&S design book looking for a match. Shes got pretty lines, home built dogbox and solar mounts notwithstanding.
Two quick observations:
1) Coffee Grinders:
There seems to be a trend towards bigger and bigger cruising boats. When I was a kid, a family of 4 might do a circumnavigation in a 35 to 38 footer. In the 1980's it seemed like 42 feet was a sweet spot. These days it seems like there are new production 45 to 60 foot production cruising boats hitting the market on a regular basis. Boats that size have huge sail plans that require handling a lot of heavily loaded line. The knee jerk design approach seems to be electrical or hydraulic driven winches, furlers, ground tackle and the like. I sort of get that in terms of ease and speed making adjustments. But to me, a large part of sailing is the physicality of it all, using your mind and your muscles to grapple with nature and the physics of it all. In that regard, I really like the idea of having a coffee grinder to be able to manage the sail plan using my own muscles as the power source. In my mind, more of these larger cruisers should have them rather than less.

2) It is very sad to see a boat with this pedigree stashed away in a junkyard jungle, surrounded with those ignominious vessels in the picture. Tenacious and her sisterships were the pinnacle of yacht design for that era. These were big powerful boats that could withstand tremendously abusive conditions. And while we now know that compared to the better designs that followed, these were pretty mediocre designs in terms of ease of handling, seakindliness, and performance, they were none the less the best of their generation. I saw Tenacious at Bunky Helfrich's boat yard on Hilton Head in South Carolina where she was sent to be rebuilt and sold after the 1979 Fastnet. She was anything but unscathed. But sailed by a skilled and capable crew, she was none the less raced all the way around the course, returning with the crew she left with. While it is often argued that Tenacious never saw the worst of the storm, she none the less saw enough of the foul weather that bringing the crew home safe, is still a great feat performed by Tenacious, her skipper, and her crew.

By the way, where was that picture taken?

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