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Not to get bogged down in the math, but figure half above, half below, definition of average.

Half above and half below would be the median not the average.
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This thread has been......disappointing to read.

'He obviously doesn't listen to the science and the scientists. So why should I, a child with no proper education, be able to convince him?'

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Half above and half below would be the median not the average.
Which is why I was able to say most, average usually assumed to be the mean.

But the point made does not rely on precision, arguing about definitions of statistics, those are just didactic distractions
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You attack me on a personal level, then when shouting me down doesn't work, you declare righteous indignation and retreat...



You know, disagreement can be civil. Anger and hatred are not necessary.
People are free to choose who they want to argue with.
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Which is why I was able to say most, average usually assumed to be the mean.

But the point made does not rely on precision, arguing about definitions of statistics, those are just didactic distractions
I didn't say "mean". I said "median".

Yes, "average" and "mean" are the same thing but neither is the "median" which is what you erroneously described as the definition of average.

The point made does not rely on precision?

Mark's comment was in response to your statement that most people are below average so it is far from a distraction to know what average means.
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You are giving local governments way too much credit. Seattle, for instance, has banned plastic straws and single use plastic utensils. There wasn't any study done. It was all seat-of-the-pants feel-good legislation.
Studies have been done, and they’ve shown that even though we use a couple hundred million straws EVERY DAY, that still accounts for a small fraction of a percent of all the plastic we waste.

The idea behind straw bans is sort of a foot-in-the-door kind of thing. Although the amount of plastic they’ll reduce is negligible, they get people thinking about their plastic usage. Whether that’s worth the inconvenience is up for debate.



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At the same time they created safe injection sites encouraging illicit drug use. Even before the ban a stroll around Seattle would net you 2 used syringes to any straw or spork.
This is 100% false, injection sites do not encourage drug use. What they do is get addicts into a safe environment where they are more likely to get treatment. This is well researched.

Also, used syringes from injection sites don’t litter the streets, they’re disposed of correctly

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Interesting insight on the unintended consequences of plastic bag bans.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/23/72603...-be-a-bad-move
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Re: Crossing the North Atlantic East to West

Here's an interesting bit on the straw thing:
Is Seattle’s straw ban a green gateway drug or just peak slactivism?


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“Banning straws is about as important as spitting in the wind,” he told me. “But a lot of social psychology research says that if you get people to say yes to a small request, they are more likely to accede to more serious requests.”

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But aiming at a tiny target like straws could also have negative effects on environmental action.

Researchers have previously found that when people recycle, they feel entitled to use more resources and produce more waste. This effect is called “moral licensing,” where doing one good thing — like forgoing a straw — gives you the mental permission to do negative things later.


Regarding the bag thing, a reusable bag is good idea. As far as plastic vs. paper, I'd rather use a little more energy to make a paper bag than to end up with a plastic bag out littering the land and ocean.


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Interesting insight on the unintended consequences of plastic bag bans.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/23/72603...-be-a-bad-move
I use my plastic grocery bags for both trash can liners and dog patrol.

I haven't bought a plastic bag in over 12 years.

I suppose that I could use paper grocery bags for trash can liners but then there is no way to secure the tops when disposing of them. They won't work at all for dog pickup.
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Re: Crossing the North Atlantic East to West

People are pigs. Walk through a rainforest anywhere in the Caribbean and see the litter-plastic wrappers, bags, beer cans etc. People need to be either shamed or incentivized monetarily to change.
BTW Mozart wrote some pretty good stuff in his teens. The core idea for many if not most paradigm changing ideas in science occurred to those geniuses before adulthood. Just saying....... from someone who farts dust.
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