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Because scum like me could then live on the border forever.
I can get a 6 month visa into Canada each year, as I can with the USA. i could live 6 months of the year in Montreal and sail 42 miles to Champlain for the other 6 months. Forever.
How does that differ from going back and forth from FL to the Bahamas, which is the most common method.

I poked around the USCBP site but couldn't find where it defined foreign port to exclude Canada. Might be there, it started to make my eyes bleed.


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Re: Zanshin's trip from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD

Hi Zanshin
Obviously for selfish reasons we would love to see you back in Antigua but nonetheless, I have very different advice from CBP on Canada - they were quite explicit that it would count as exiting the USA. The timing is awkward as the old cruising permit cannot be ‘cancelled’ when you exit so it has to be that you were out while it expired and then re-enter and apply.

In terms of being contacted during transit of NYC, that would be the coast guard as you were entering the Traffic Management Scheme and had not previously provided those details. Everyone entering the area is monitored and gets the call if their details are not already on the system and up to date. We had the same drill as we passed Sandy Hook coming into the Outer Harbour and so did several others coming behind but the local boats did not get hailed.
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How does that differ from going back and forth from FL to the Bahamas, which is the most common method.

I poked around the USCBP site but couldn't find where it defined foreign port to exclude Canada. Might be there, it started to make my eyes bleed.

Because the Canadian government and the USA government have many agreements that help each other control their borders.

Not so much in the Bahamas. Its not a mass movement border. No road or common land border.

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Because the Canadian government and the USA government have many agreements that help each other control their borders.

Not so much in the Bahamas. Its not a mass movement border. No road or common land border.
Ok, but I'm not really following why a 50nm boat ride to Bimini is more legit than one from Maine to Nova Scotia. Unlike on roads, there aren't US and Canadian boarder patrol agents on either side of the maritime border. Nearly everything in the Bahamas comes from the US mainland. Either way, you still have to spend 15 days there.

Ultimately, I'd love to see this Canadian exempt rule in print somewhere. I've read the cruising permit rule, which makes no mention of excluding any foreign ports. It only lists those countries of registration that are allowed to apply in the first place, which of course, includes Germany. I'm not saying it authoritatively doesn't exist, only that I've never seen it or heard of it.


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Obviously for selfish reasons we would love to see you back in Antigua but nonetheless, I have very different advice from CBP on Canada - they were quite explicit that it would count as exiting the USA...
I wonder if I just had the wrong officer on the phone when I asked. I've heard that a lot of the rules surrounding the cruising permit can be applied and ignored haphazardly and this might have been the case. I know I did search all the available paperwork for somewhere where it stated that Canadian ports did not count and didn't find anything. I do know that when it comes to visas that leaving the USA for Canada did not count for changing my entry status several years ago; I was in the USA on a business visa waiting for my H1-b visa to go through. When the new visa was issued I found out that I couldn't fly up to Toronto and then return as a legal foreign worker but ended up having to fly overseas (in this case I was headed for Japan on business anyway, so it didn't bother me). So I'm used to the US making exceptions for Canadian trips and wasn't surprised when I heard that going up the coast to Canada wouldn't count for allowing me to renew the cruising permit.

In any case, "Alea iacta est" since I've bought my tickets to the US for early January


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....I've heard that a lot of the rules surrounding the cruising permit can be applied and ignored haphazardly.....
I'm afraid this could be true.

You'll probably not love Maryland in January, but all the best on the passage. I hope Zanshin has good heat.


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I have terrible heat aboard - only used it when I originally sailed from Annapolis - Norfolk and even when the boat was new it sucked. I'm going to have revert to using internally generated "Single-Malt" heat this time around.
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Re: Zanshin's trip from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD

Single handed in January, without heat. Three or four days to warm weather? More? How do you say big cojones in German.


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Re: Zanshin's trip from Newport, RI to Annapolis, MD

It isn't that the heat doesn't work at all, it is just that it doesn't create a comfortably warm cabin. Once across the Gulf Stream the water temperature jumps to over 25c so at least the cold isn't seeping up through the hull and then it is only a couple of days before the foulies come off. I still have all my layered clothing aboard from the last trip, but this time I have a real sailing jacket (Skâgen from HH) instead of a cheap rainjacket from Aldi so I'm good to go. I've been watching the weather and it certainly looks like it won't be smooth. But if I can get as much easting done as early as possible I'll not have to bash against the waves but just coast across them.


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Have some good lined boots to. Highs next week in the 30s we’ve already had some snow and ice


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