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N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

I live in Sweden and realized buying a boat here in the nordics is a great opportunity, the boats are in the water less than 6 months, are typically only used a maximum of 8 weeks during the summer and many are stored indoors for the winter. I like all these things when looking for a boat especially when comparing to the Medetearianin market where they seem to be "well used" and of course many deals are x charters.

My question is: is it realistic to find a great condition sailboat in a place like San Diego, where I assume many seldom leave the harbor and or were kitted out for cruising but did little. Does the electrical system from N.America matter at all beyond the appliances and plug outlets? Is it advantageous to shop on either continent and return or just keep looking in one's local area?
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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

One thing you should keep in mind is that boats designed to sail in your neck of the woods are not normally concerned with the sort of ventilation one would want in warmer climates. This can make the best boat in Scandinavia the worst one in a Caribbean anchorage.
As for finding a good boat in anywhere else, I sincerely believe the worst thing for a boat is not using it. It may seem that 8 weeks of use is better than 50, but that is not what I have found to be true. It is all about maintenance.
If you buy a boat in Sweden and intend to sail it in the Med, San Diego or Caribbean, you must consider the time, effort and expenditure of moving it. There are so many factors to consider. Each boat is a separate case and must be approached as such.
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If you are planning to import the boat into EU you must have documentation that confirms they the boat is built according to the RCD https://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-adv...directive.aspx
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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

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I live in Sweden and realized buying a boat here in the nordics is a great opportunity, the boats are in the water less than 6 months, are typically only used a maximum of 8 weeks during the summer and many are stored indoors for the winter. I like all these things when looking for a boat especially when comparing to the Medetearianin market where they seem to be "well used" and of course many deals are x charters.
Sounds like Nordic boats maybe have a lot in common with great lakes boats, except we don't even get salt water here, so corosion is minimal.
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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

But you’re in a great place to buy some wonderful boats. Sweden Yacht, nautor Swan, X boats etc. you see many of those in the Caribbean and it doesn’t seem to be a problem.

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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

I thunk Capta makes some great points as usual. Look for a boat designed for the climate / conditions you intend to use it. I would stay away from boats designed for the Caribe. FL etc.

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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

I had a buddy buy a boat in Europe and import it back to the US. He had to refit the electrical system, so he could plug into shore and have everything work. How they did it always seemed like a kludge to me. I can't explain it, because it never made perfect sense and the refit was expensive. He swore he bought the boat right and the delivery and refit made sense. I never believed him.
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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

Hey,

I don't understand how buying a boat located far away makes any sense.

You spend $20,30,50 grand for a boat, and then another $10-20K to bring it home? Seems like you should be able to find a better boat closer to home.

If you buy a boat in San Diego how are you going to get it to Sweden?

When I was boat shopping I restricted my search to boats within 100nm range. I guess that I am fortunate to be on Long Island. Between boats on Long Island, Connecticut, Rhode Island, etc. there are literally hundreds of boats to buy.

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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

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I sincerely believe the worst thing for a boat is not using it. It may seem that 8 weeks of use is better than 50, but that is not what I have found to be true. It is all about maintenance.
That's probably true where the 8 week/year boat and the 50 week/year boat are both in locations with year-round sailing and are sitting in the water year round. The 50-week guy is simply there on the boat that much more in order to see what needs fixing and to do it, and obviously the boat is a more meaningful part of his life than the 8-week guy who spends the majority of the year doing stuff other than using his boat.

But I don't think this concept translates to boats that are used only seasonally in colder climates. Many of these colder-climate guys would love to be on their boats 50 weeks/year guys, but they just can't. So they do the same level of maintenance as the 50-week/year guy down south, but the northern boat is properly winterized and stored for the winter season.

All things being equal between the boats owned by the 50-week/year guy down south, and the wannabe 50-week/year guy up north, I think the lesser used but similarly maintained boat up north is in general going to be in better condition. And the older the boat, the more true this should be.
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Re: N. America vs Europe used boat shopping

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That's probably true where the 8 week/year boat and the 50 week/year boat are both in locations with year-round sailing and are sitting in the water year round. The 50-week guy is simply there on the boat that much more in order to see what needs fixing and to do it, and obviously the boat is a more meaningful part of his life than the 8-week guy who spends the majority of the year doing stuff other than using his boat.

But I don't think this concept translates to boats that are used only seasonally in colder climates. Many of these colder-climate guys would love to be on their boats 50 weeks/year guys, but they just can't. So they do the same level of maintenance as the 50-week/year guy down south, but the northern boat is properly winterized and stored for the winter season.

All things being equal between the boats owned by the 50-week/year guy down south, and the wannabe 50-week/year guy up north, I think the lesser used but similarly maintained boat up north is in general going to be in better condition. And the older the boat, the more true this should be.
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