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Annapolis Boat Show

Wife and I decided to go today while we were anchored out this weekend.

She was looking specifically for a specific kind of Keens and I kind of just tagged along. Beautiful day, mid 70s . Nice Breeze. Absolutely no crowds.

Spent some time at the Annapolis Inflateables/ Fawcettes booth talking to the Tahatsu dealer. I had been part of a survey from Tahatsu on people who had purchased their outboard propane motor. They gave me at the show a new cover made of Shot gun , a new propane fuel line, and a spare Viking propane 11lb canister. ( I already had one I had bought previously. )

Went on a couple boats.
Catalina 42.- surprised at the fake teak and holly, how large the galley intruded into the living space, lack of nav station. The wood inside all looked like veneer. And the emense cockpit which I don’t see as a positive for an offshore Capable boat. On the positive side the safe decks and oversized winches and traveler.

Visited a few catamarans as we will charter soon again and I’m thinking of it being a catamaran for space.

Hulas one of my previous favorites did not hit me this time. The Swan was gourgeous .

My favorite was the Outbound 46. I have always like their build quality. Lots of great interior craftsmanship. Safe smaller cockpit, with one helm. Protected cabin. Inside jib tracks, great sail plan, though I would I am not sold on the Solent jibs as they seem very tight. Fit and finish great with huge storage. .....impressive boat.

Last we visited the tents where I came upon a great last day deal from Landfall. Picked up en emergency ladder for $49 by Platimo. Was selling at the show for $99. Was not planning on buying but, I just told the guy I’d give him $49 for it and he wouldn’t have to lug it home...lol...he agreed much to my surprise

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By the way I love the landfall site.
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.... And the emense cockpit which I donít see as a positive for an offshore Capable boat.
Interesting comment about cockpit size and this needs to discussed... perhaps.

I would argue that boats that are prepared for offshore are really intended to local cruising in relatively protected waters and living aboard. And so I see that there needs to be a comfortable, dry safe cockpit that works for the owner(s) when not working the oceans!

Cockpit size is... too small and not comfortable is something I find a deficit in way too many boats. I think you need room to stretch out and even lie down... and for several people at once! I found that when on board... and either at anchor or simply going somewhere we (I) are in the cockpit, crew is, guests are and often the dog(s) are. Our cockpit which I consider well designed for this purpose is essentially a large rectangular donut which allows one to lie down athwartship behind the helm, at the bridge deck or foew and aft along side the helm. No camel back seat for a helmsmen (awful!). Boat is on auto piliot 99% of the time and when there is a someone steering they can stand, sit or even sit on the coaming and reach the helm. Offshore I keep the raft behind the helm and some can sit on that if they want to steer.

Short "benches" are almost useless and remind me of a seat on a subway or bus. YUCK!

I don't see anything unseaworthy or unsuited or offshore about the Contest 36s cockit, I've always felt safe and protected there as well as comfortable. And the cushions really make it very comfortable as well. You can sleep there as well! Sunbrella cushions have a dark blue and light taupe side... dark for cool weather and light for warm weather.
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As long as a cockpit is deep enough to keep people in it, drains fast enough to eliminate flooding, and is designed to be able to safely move in, out, and about underway, there is no safety limit to its size offshore. In fact, larger is better.

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As long as a cockpit is deep enough to keep people in it, drains fast enough to eliminate flooding, and is designed to be able to safely move in, out, and about underway, there is no safety limit to its size offshore. In fact, larger is better.

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Why is larger better?


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I slept on the cockpit floor once, offshore, in big seas. It was too much effort to go below take foulies off, and put them back on when we were doing 1 hour shifts. 2 off 1 on. It was too hot and stuffy below with everything buttoned up. Cockpit drained quickly, I wouldn't have minded a little more leg room ;-) on the floor. Wouldn't want a repeat though, too old for that S#@# now.
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It's more comfortable!
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Dave Ė Sharon and I were there yesterday. Too bad we didnít know you were there or bump into each other!

This was the lightest foot traffic Iíve ever seen at the show on a Monday. Maybe the weekend flooding scared people away? I also feel like there were more vendors than ever selling non-sailing related items. Iíd rather they just reduce the number of booths than allow too many kitchenware and patio furniture vendors in.

We went on a lot of boats. Didnít see anything that would make us want to trade in our current boat, but my wife likes to get ideas for her Spinsheet column by seeing whatís new. I am surprised that almost every boat Ė no matter the make Ė had a Delta anchor and about 30 feet of chain as the OEM ground tackle. If I were paying new boat money, Iíd want a lot better. But overall itís kind of sad that showing up to the show even with $300k doesnít get you all that much boat.

This was the first time ever I didnít buy a single thing at the show. It was kind of nice to just take it all in and not come home with the wallet lightened at all.
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It's more comfortable!
What he said! Of course, it has to meet the safety criteria, and larger cockpits = smaller interior space, so it is a tradeoff.

The natural way to get larger cockpits without cutting much into interior, and easily meet safety criteria, is through beam, which is why catamaran cockpits are comparatively large, as are more modern design monohull cockpits.

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Dave Ė Sharon and I were there yesterday. Too bad we didnít know you were there or bump into each other!

This was the lightest foot traffic Iíve ever seen at the show on a Monday. Maybe the weekend flooding scared people away? I also feel like there were more vendors than ever selling non-sailing related items. Iíd rather they just reduce the number of booths than allow too many kitchenware and patio furniture vendors in.

We went on a lot of boats. Didnít see anything that would make us want to trade in our current boat, but my wife likes to get ideas for her Spinsheet column by seeing whatís new. I am surprised that almost every boat Ė no matter the make Ė had a Delta anchor and about 30 feet of chain as the OEM ground tackle. If I were paying new boat money, Iíd want a lot better. But overall itís kind of sad that showing up to the show even with $300k doesnít get you all that much boat.

This was the first time ever I didnít buy a single thing at the show. It was kind of nice to just take it all in and not come home with the wallet lightened at all.
We decided to go at the last minute and just stayed on the boat Sunday after spending Saturday at Cacaway. We got entry for $0. All we paid was the $10 to park at the Navy Stadium. Donna did get a new pair of Keens from Fawcetts for a great price. They matched the internet price which I showed them.

A saw a lot of Deltas too. I was also surprised to see a few mooring open, but it was the last day of the show.

I agree about the $300,000 comment.


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What he said! Of course, it has to meet the safety criteria, and larger cockpits = smaller interior space, so it is a tradeoff.

The natural way to get larger cockpits without cutting much into interior, and easily meet safety criteria, is through beam, which is why catamaran cockpits are comparatively large, as are more modern design monohull cockpits.

Mark

I wasnít talking about catamarans so letís not drift into that. Many of the production boats had huge cockpits with tables set between the benches.
Tables to be impaled upon in pitching seas. Tables to reduce the walking space in the cockpit. Tables to get in the way of handing sheets and winches on alternating sides.

The cockpits were not equipped IMHO to be safe in larger seas.

I am comparing letís say the design of the Outbound 46, the Swans, the Hylas and other similar sized boats. Itís not about price here but about design. The production boats design emphasis was on cockpit appears to be comfort at anchor. The others in terms of seaway design.

Looks like if leading jack lines on the production boats would require two different lines through the cockpit area.


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