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Re: Converting to internal halyards

I kind of understand why some people prefer things at the mast. Fewer blocks, less clutter on deck.

But what are the benefits of external halyards? I guess if you lose one it'd easier to re-run than if you lose it up the mast. That's really all I can think of.

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Re: Converting to internal halyards

I answered this for myself at least M. It would require at lot of effort(dropping the mast for starters) to solve a non existent problem.
I can think of a few other non problems that I could tackle as well. There should be a worthwhile payoff unless one just enjoys spending time and money on their boat.
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Oh yeah, don't fix it if it ain't broke.


But most new boats come with internal halyards. There must be a reason they don't do external.

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I kind of understand why some people prefer things at the mast. Fewer blocks, less clutter on deck.

But what are the benefits of external halyards? I guess if you lose one it'd easier to re-run than if you lose it up the mast. That's really all I can think of.
Couple moreÖ itís easy to see if you have a developing problem since the whole line is visible and can be inspected. The other issue that sometimes happens with internal lines is that they can get jumbled with other internal stuff like wires or rivet heads or bolts if not properly contained. Internal halyards can also become sources of noise, again if they are not contained properly.

The major negative of all-external is that it doubles the challenge of silencing them all when at anchor/dock. It also means 100% of your line is exposed to the elements all the time.

I donít think itís a big deal either way. I think most new boats come with internals b/c it makes things look cleaner. It certainly wouldnít be an issue for me, either way. My boats have always had externals b/c thatís they way they came to me. But I wouldnít bat an eye if my next boat (IF there is a next boat) came with internals.
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I kind of understand why some people prefer things at the mast. Fewer blocks, less clutter on deck.

But what are the benefits of external halyards? I guess if you lose one it'd easier to re-run than if you lose it up the mast. That's really all I can think of.
I think at some point it just becomes easier to have things at the mast. Think of the forces on a 45 foot boat and having to have the lines run through that many blocks to get them aft, takes a lot of work. You also have more space at the mast to store all the lines.

Still having things run aft makes everything easier, especially single handing. Internal halyards are a classy touch. What's your next upgrade, bow thruster, electric winches.
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I'm set up with everything internal and aft. Selden makes really nice equipment. I like how you staggered the two double exit blocks, nice solution.
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That's interesting. I'd drop sails the other way around, because the main can essentially self tack if I needed it to.
If I use one sail its the Jib, the roller just adds too much flexibility and we can roll it up to a sliver and bring all the way in at the last minute. Plus its more powerful alone than the main is IMO.
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If I use one sail its the Jib, the roller just adds too much flexibility and we can roll it up to a sliver and bring all the way in at the last minute. Plus its more powerful alone than the main is IMO.
If the jib is on a furler, I can see the benefit, even though it still requires more complication if tacking is necessary to approach the slip. I got the sense the OP's was hanked on.

Whatever gets one to the slip is fine by me. Each rig behaves differently, I suppose. I'd expect to get enough of a main down into a stack pack on most tacks, unless it was really blowing stink.

Probably the last boat I sailed onto a dock was a 26ft and that was pushing a decade ago. Time flies. I've never sailed my current boat onto the dock, but I've sailed it into many anchorages (not very crowded ones). Of course, I always end up head to wind in that scenario and our main furls too.


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Re: Converting to internal halyards

Yeah, my jibs are hank on. The boat is small enough that I don't have to crank a winch to tack or jibe, so it's really not a big deal if I need to flop once or twice while coming in. My usual technique is to backwind the jib before dropping it, that way it all lands on deck instead of in the water.

My main does *not* fall into the stackpack unless it's pretty much completely de-powered. Should it? If thereís any pressure at all the slugs bind in the tracks. Maybe I need to lube the slugs better? Huh. Iíd always assumed thatís the way they all were.



Itís interesting how different people use their boats. Different sizes, different purposes, different boats. I recently chartered a 49í Jeanneau. One of the people on the trip was part of the crew that won this yearís Trans Superior. Pretty much the same size boat, but it couldnít have been more different. They did a lot at the mast because they had a crew of 12 and were doing constant headsail changes. Makes sense for them.

I guess on any boat where raising the main is a major enterprise, going up to the mast to do it isnít that big a deal. Still seems like a pain to me, but if that's what you like go for it. But on my boat where raising the main is a 10 second hand-over-hand affair, going up to the mast to do it is silly. Ditto the jib, since I donít have a roller furler itíd be silly to have to leave the tiller and hop up the mast every time I wanted to raise or lower the jib.



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Still having things run aft makes everything easier, especially single handing. Internal halyards are a classy touch. What's your next upgrade, bow thruster, electric winches.
Definitely, Iím going to upgrade my 50 watts of solar to 450 watts to power the bow thruster and the ice maker

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I can't tell from the pictures what is going on here but this looks to me as though a deck mounted spring loaded blocks or under mast plate with blocks should be in this setup to transition from vertical to horizontal.

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