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Re: Considering Catalina 38

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No condescension intended Chef.

I fail to see how you could run the halyards to the cockpit without winches though - It's a 38' boat. Were you thinking about removing the existing ones and remounting them aft?

Anyway you figure it, it's going to be an expensive job.
Like I said in all my posts I am not sure the configuration of a their particular Catalina 38, and what’s under the dodger ( assuming they have one).

Our C&C 35 MKIII came with 3 - 2 speed self tailing Barients under the dodger. It was simply doing the blocks, clutches, horns, and Sta-set. If their Catalina 38 only had 2 , one on either side , clutches and horns would be enough to accomplish what they want to do easily as well as keep it organized and neat.

If they don’t have that and HAVE to purchase winches like I said in previous posts it adds $1500-$2000 to the equation. In a new boat I don’t consider spending $1500 a huge amount to effectively make such a significant change.

That way they could save some costs and my projection of $1500 sans sales on equipment would hold . I believe we agree then.


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Re: Considering Catalina 38

You can cut the cost of the Sta-Set by about half if you're not in a hurry. West Marine does 40% off sales on line about once per quarter.

Lewmar #16 two speed non-self tailer's are $579 new (WM prices). Figure half that used at Bacon's.

There's no need to figure out the turning block setup. Just walk down the dock, find a Catalina and take a picture of the setup. They've all be done the same way for at least 20 years now and it works well, so no need to re-invent the wheel.

Finally a keel stepped mast isn't all that unusual. If you don't see something obvious for mounting a turning block in Garhauer's catalog give them a call. I'll guarantee they have something or they can make something for you because they've done it before. Their prices are reasonable and they've got very good customer service.

catalina38.org's web site is up and running, but it doesn't look like there's a lot of activity. A lot of these groups are moving onto Facebook now, so I'd try searching there. I can guarantee you're not the first person to do this project. That's one of the upsides of owning a Catalina. Any boat project you're thinking about has been done and somebody's written up a step-by-step how-to guide with pictures and posted it online.

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Re: Considering Catalina 38

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No condescension intended Chef.

I fail to see how you could run the halyards to the cockpit without winches though - It's a 38' boat. Were you thinking about removing the existing ones and remounting them aft?
When I ran my lines back to the cockpit I was able to remove a winch from the mast that was no longer needed. Maybe they can do the same.
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Re: Considering Catalina 38

Thanks everyone! You've both given me a lot to work with and think about. I'm still keen on this boat. We don't own it yet. I think we should sail for a season without any changes and see how we fare. Learn the ropes, as it is. I'm glad to know what it takes to get it done, before we make an offer.
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Thanks everyone! You've both given me a lot to work with and think about. I'm still keen on this boat. We don't own it yet. I think we should sail for a season without any changes and see how we fare. Learn the ropes, as it is. I'm glad to know what it takes to get it done, before we make an offer.
That’s a great idea.

Running you lines to the cockpit will be a great improvement and increased safety issue.

Good luck on getting the boat. Check in and let us know how everything is going.
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Re: Considering Catalina 38

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No condescension intended Chef.

I fail to see how you could run the halyards to the cockpit without winches though - It's a 38' boat. Were you thinking about removing the existing ones and remounting them aft?

Anyway you figure it, it's going to be an expensive job.
I have a self tailer on the coach roof (both sides) and use it for the main halyard and topping lift. Head sail's halyard is at the mast and it has a self tailing wind and line stopper/clutch.

I do sometimes use the primary winch for the main halyard with no issue and more room to work and better visibility of the sail... then from under the dodger.

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Shiva is deck stepped with lines led aft OEM.

It has:

2 stainless slotted angles on each side of the mast to which blocks are attached.

Then there is a 2 double sheave deck organizer a few few aft of the mast base turning blocks

The dodger has an opening on each side for the rigging lines

under the dodger are 2 double attached line stopper/clutches on each side

and finally a winch on each side.

The rigging led to the cockput is:

main halyard
topping lift
2 forward reef lines

2 aft reef lines
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Re: Considering Catalina 38

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I’ve sailed on two boats with single line reefing and both sucked big time. The friction took a lot of muscle to haul the reefing line in, things hung up on the reef requiring trips forward to clear, the sail didn’t trim well because of friction caused inability to haul the leech taut and there is a league or two of line you have to pull in. To be fair the boats lived in light air areas and the attempts to reef could have been the first time it was ever used so not properly sorted out. In any case, never considered single line reefing....
FWIW the single line reefing on my Pearson 31-2 works like a charm. While there is friction in the reefing line system, it isn't much more than I find present in the clew reefing line in a typical two line system, and as the reefing line leads to a cabintop Lewmar 30 winch, any friction is of no significance.

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I think we should sail for a season without any changes and see how we fare.
That sounds very wise.
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Re: Considering Catalina 38

This will reveal my inexperience in boat buying, but here goes. I realized the Catalina 38 in question has a shoal draft (plus the aforementioned cruising rigging). Does anyone have experience racing this model?

The guys I will race against are sailing boats like a Beneteau 35, S2 9.1 and a Catalina 30TM

We race on Lake Michigan with PHRF handicap in Jib & Main section (until I get a spinnaker situated). And you can assume my team has better sailors. lol.

The Catalina I'm looking at is so well maintained and updated, it's hard for me to pass by.
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Re: Considering Catalina 38

The Catalina 38 started life as a Yankee 38. Catalina got the molds when Yankee went under. A beautiful boat, but designed as an IOR racer/cruiser. Some stability issues downwind. I think halyards lead aft are often over rated and sometimes just lead to clutter. For example, to me, bringing halyards back on roller furling headsails and roller furling main aren't worth it. There is increased friction by bringing back. As suggested, try it for a season and sea what you think. I am probably totally wrong but never in doubt.
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