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Re: thinking about a trailor sailor

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Again no good headroom on this one, but the Precision 21 or 23 are good choices, again, hard to rig them quickly.

The boats that have GREAT room, are easy to trailer but aren't known for performance are the Seaward, 25, 26 ones. Again heavy, but they'll rig a bit faster than others I've mentioned, but they are well built boats, and won't be found cheap.

I was very impressed with the Seaward 26RK so much that I considered buying one new. its a helluva lotta boat for the size, and still VERY trailerable. Probably not real fast under sail. Horses for courses, she's damned pretty.

I've moved on to waters that stay liquid all year around, and am sailing a C&C 32. If I could have found one as cheap as this 32, I'd have gone 35. But my tastes/needs have changed since I've moved. Prior to our move, PA levft me pigeoned into trailer sailing and I did lots of it. I literally dry-day-sailed my Capri 22 a severeal times. It was an "all-day" affair to do. I did it one time in mid April, to prove that I could sail before my sail club friends could launch their boats (docks weren't in yet). It was a LONG day (for a lot of reasons, ie: bearing went, keel support fell off trailer, bolt broke on tongue extension, launch ramp was consumed by motor-boaters that didn't understand that I HAD to have a dock to launch, cause I couldn't JUMP from my truck onto my sailboat from the ground...). Anyway, 1:30 launch was quick but I was exhausted by the time mast was up, and I still had to bend on sails, and there was a day of sailing ahead of me. I STILL HAD AN AWESOME TIME (April 15th, and it was 65 degrees out, winds were 15-20 knots, talk about a helluva ride).

But honestly if you consider the Catalina 22, consider the Capri 22 instead (it sails better all the way around). But if you prefer more room, Consider the Precision 23, or Beneteau 235 (as was suggested)...

If you have enough tow vehicle the S2 7.9 is a heavy beast, but sails better than any mentioned, and with practice can be launched and mast stepped by one person. They even made in inboard diesel yanmar that kicked butt. Headroom sucks at 5'8" but the midship head was nice, and the huge V berth is a helluva lot of space for overnighting for such a small boat. It stands up to waves and wind well too, but is faster than a J24.
On what basis is the S2 faster than the J24. In my experience The J seems a little faster ( sailed on both) , or Close to equal. The prph ratings are very close. Pointing ability goes to J by a lot. S2 heavier so not as tender as the wind pipes up.


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Honestly, the S2 (7.9) is consistently faster than the J, in all wind conditions.
Not even the same ballpark.

The 6.9 is definitely slower.

Let us not forget the S2 has the waterline advantage, weight advantage. Also I am not sure where you get the J will outpoint the S2. In my experience the S2 will outpoint just about anything close to its class, except maybe a J80.

Perhaps I have been around poorly sailed J24s and well sailed S2s... and you vice versa, I dunno. I've sailed both, and my money is on the S2, especially when the winds pipe up.

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Trailer sailor. There is no real solution. After 7 years, I am really done with the Cat 22. Years where we had decent wind it did alright. This year wind was very light and it sucked. faster boats with bigger rigs would sail circles around us. Yes I could go buy a 130 Genoa but its a slow boat. Stepping the mast and rigging is a huge chore, and I do it 4 times a year.My keel needs to be taken off and redone, faired,,,which is a hassle. Interior is really just good for storing sails and beer. In a pinch it will do it all, and has - but there are better boats. There has to be.
I guess weíve had different experiences. I just finished up my sixth season with my C22 and Iím still all over that thing. Itís not a race boat, no, but itís still fun. I have a 150 genoa and 170 nylon drifter that help me out with lighter wind.

Stepping the mast is a chore, but Iím not sure Iíd call it a huge chore. I wouldnít do it for a day sail. A three day weekend would probably be worth it.

I think the interior is fine for a 22í boat. I spend weekends on it all the time. By myself itís plenty, with my wife it cramped. But we are not a tall people, so that might have something to do with it. I leave the table down and sleep on that side. When my wife joins me we put boards across and sleep athwartship. The V is used for the porta-potty, storing sails, and other junk.

With the bimini up the cockpit is a pretty fun place to hang out. Sitting in the shade on the water while listening to some music and reading a book, what could be better?

The OP seems interested in a performance boat, so the C22 is probably out for him, but for some people (me) itís a great compromise.

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Re: thinking about a trailor sailor

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Trailer sailor. There is no real solution. After 7 years, I am really done with the Cat 22. Years where we had decent wind it did alright. This year wind was very light and it sucked. faster boats with bigger rigs would sail circles around us. Yes I could go buy a 130 Genoa but its a slow boat. Stepping the mast and rigging is a huge chore, and I do it 4 times a year.My keel needs to be taken off and redone, faired,,,which is a hassle. Interior is really just good for storing sails and beer. In a pinch it will do it all, and has - but there are better boats. There has to be.
I think some seasons are just crumby seasons. I didn't have a great trailer sailing season either, but I don't think a bigger boat would have helped. Between crowds and floods, crowded docks, crowded marinas and crowds, I felt kind of trapped. By September I was browsing kijiji for lightweight and folding canoes so I could head off into the back country.
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