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Threat to Lake Union sailing

For those of you in the Seattle area, we have a new threat to navigation on Lake Union (if you are not in the Seattle area, Lake Union is a unique lake surrounded by the city that offers good sailing and boating, SUPers, and kayakers. It is connected to both the much larger Lake Washington and to saltwater via the Ballard Locks, and is surrounded by marinas housing thousands of recreational boats).

There is a long history of seaplanes using the lake alongside a large number of recreational and commercial boats. To my knowledge, there has been no safety problem and no accidents of any kind despite tens of flights daily and sometimes a landing or takeoff every few minutes.

The major seaplane airline here, Kenmore Air, is now requesting a "no-go" zone covering much of the lake that would severely interfere with use of the lake by boats. By making much of the middle of the lake off-limits, this would make it very difficult to sail upwind (forcing short tacks up very narrow areas along the lakeshore), and would make the Tuesday night race series almost impossible to conduct.

Here's the link to the group opposing the no-go zone: https://www.savelakeunion.com/

As well as a disaster for the Seattle area, this would be a terrible precedent for other waters shared by seaplanes and boats. Just thought you should know.
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Re: Threat to Lake Union sailing

A for-profit company take over public space for itís own benefit? Thatís not the American Way??

If they had to buy the space for a runway it would cost them millions of dollars and put them out of business. Canít have that!

If they had to rent the lake from the city it would impact their cash flow and slow down the payments they need to make to the capital investment sharks who loaned them the money for their new planes. (There ARE sharks in Lake Union after all!!) Canít have that!

If they donít expand service itís also going to impact their cash flow and slow down the payments (see above). Then the investors will make them go bankrupt and put them out of business. Canít have that!

so... they have to have total control of the lake in order to stay in business. Why would anyone object to this ? Everyone in Seattle and Washington State should be signing the petition.
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I wish you luck, but with the federal government selling off public lands (our lands, not theirs) at an alarming rate with nary a citizen blinking, I don't see a group of concerned citizens having much of a chance against a wealthy transportation company, these days.
Again though, good luck.

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I wish you luck, but with the federal government selling off public lands (our lands, not theirs) at an alarming rate with nary a citizen blinking, I don't see a group of concerned citizens having much of a chance against a wealthy transportation company, these days.
Don'cha just love it when somebody who doesn't even live here and has zero skin in the game tells you that fighting to make this a better country is a waste of time?
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Don'cha just love it when somebody who doesn't even live here and has zero skin in the game tells you that fighting to make this a better country is a waste of time?
So it is mandatory for a concerned CITIZEN to be a resident to have an opinion, in your opinion? Then why are you voting on a Seattle matter as a California resident? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

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So it is mandatory for a concerned CITIZEN to be a resident to have an opinion, in your opinion? Then why are you voting on a Seattle matter as a California resident? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
You are entitled to your opinion (I never said otherwise), just as I am entitled to mine about yours. Regarding "voting": I didn't vote, I signed a petition, just as you could. I happen to love Seattle and Lake Union. I don't have to be a resident of that particular city to be concerned about what happens there.

But that's not the point. The point is that those of us who still live in this country are tasked with doing the heavy lifting of making it a better place. A responsibility you have abdicated. I, for one, do not appreciate your defeatist attitude, despite your right to have it.
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You are entitled to your opinion (I never said otherwise), just as I am entitled to mine about yours. Regarding "voting": I didn't vote, I signed a petition, just as you could. I happen to love Seattle and Lake Union. I don't have to be a resident of that particular city to be concerned about what happens there.

But that's not the point. The point is that those of us who still live in this country are tasked with doing the heavy lifting of making it a better place. A responsibility you have abdicated. I, for one, do not appreciate your defeatist attitude, despite your right to have it.
If you consider spending us$50.00 to insure our absentee ballots arrived on time for the elections and paying our state and federal taxes abdicating our responsibilities, to you, then perhaps you do not understand the word. The only difference between you as a resident and us as nonresidents if that you get services for your taxes that we as nonresidents don not. so, in fact we are supporting services for you and yours. In those terms you should be thanking us, not belittling us.

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If you consider spending us$50.00 to insure our absentee ballots arrived on time for the elections and paying our state and federal taxes abdicating our responsibilities, to you, then perhaps you do not understand the word.
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I'm not taking sides here but if you were to ask the pilots if there are any safety issues I think their opinion may not line up with the 'no safety problem' statement. We have a very busy float plane industry in the Nanaimo Harbour. While I don't spend much time sailing in the harbour we must cross it to reach open water. I do not like the planes taking off and landing a hundred meters over my head. As long as things go according to plan there is no problem. But what if's cross my mind all the time. My personal biggy is 'what if one of those propeller blades broke free'.
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