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Well I have 3 millennial kids, all grown up. It is through their comments that I sort of understand her differently. Most older people ( myself included) aren't yet aware how hyper moral the younger generations are. Something about coming of age after The Great Recession, where lot of the safe guards fell apart, then they went to college and saw the uselessness of that. So they are either hyper moral, or completely cynical. Greta is younger than that of course.

My generation, having come of age in the 1980's, was more in the middle...a mediocre suburban life......and had the message that you were considered a naive person if you really cared about morality. Sex, drugs , rock and roll, and later, money - were the goals. Remember " Save the Whales" ?? What a funny joke that was!! I don't think anyone laughs at dead whales these days. Back when I was a kid, only naive or manipulative people cared about the big moral issues. The smart people were cynical. Greed was good as Gordon Gekko told us.... and all that.

These kids are in a whole different frame of reference. They are super moral. You see it in the meetoo thing as well. They get it ina way I don't. When I was younger I thought everyone met their GF or spouse at work. I think a lot of comments are coming from the older amoral perspective. Also, if you make a critical comment, at least be self aware enough to realize what it is that bothers you, and why.


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This is a pretty thoughtful post, Sal. You and I are of the same vintage. We came of age faced with acid rain and AIDS. It's hard not to be a pessimist when rain is poison and sex means death.

In the plus column was young people protesting nuclear proliferation. Do you remember watching, "The Day After?" A lot of kids yelled as loud as Greta is now which no doubt contributed to the ultimate dismantling of the nuclear hair trigger. Not a bad thing.

Now, our friends on LVB appear to be in a happy place. As long as nothing major breaks, they're going to be just fine.
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Over generalizations of both generations. Itís not unlike saying our generation worked harder at their age. The median may or may not be moving around, but the generations are not as different as everyone would like to suggest. The most overused term is millennial and much research is showing their difference exists, but is just young vs old, not new. My fav is just how newly poor the college graduates are. So was I! For most of my 20s, I was one major car failure away from insolvency.

Younger generations have always been passionate or rebellious about something. My parents generation was equally out of touch with us. Kids age and become more pragmatic on average. Will happen again. I now feel a whole lot like my parents did, when they were my current age, and I thought they were nuts.
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Well I have 3 millennial kids, all grown up. It is through their comments that I sort of understand her differently. Most older people ( myself included) aren't yet aware how hyper moral the younger generations are. Something about coming of age after The Great Recession, where lot of the safe guards fell apart, then they went to college and saw the uselessness of that. So they are either hyper moral, or completely cynical. Greta is younger than that of course.

My generation, having come of age in the 1980's, was more in the middle...a mediocre suburban life......and had the message that you were considered a naive person if you really cared about morality. Sex, drugs , rock and roll, and later, money - were the goals. Remember " Save the Whales" ?? What a funny joke that was!! I don't think anyone laughs at dead whales these days. Back when I was a kid, only naive or manipulative people cared about the big moral issues. The smart people were cynical. Greed was good as Gordon Gekko told us.... and all that.

These kids are in a whole different frame of reference. They are super moral. You see it in the meetoo thing as well. They get it ina way I don't. When I was younger I thought everyone met their GF or spouse at work. I think a lot of comments are coming from the older amoral perspective. Also, if you make a critical comment, at least be self aware enough to realize what it is that bothers you, and why.

That was a great response and really helps to understand the mindset.

Here is a pretty good study on the US Public View on Climate Change:

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/...r=0&par=1&trk=

I find it amazing that it's not just a conservative vs liberal view, but also divides among age and sex even within the conservative community.

"There are also divides by age. Among younger Republicans – adults in the Millennial generation and Generation Z, ages 18 to 38 in 2019 – 52% think the government is doing too little on climate. By comparison, 41% among Generation X and 31% of Baby Boomer and older Americans say this. Republican women (46%) also are more inclined than GOP men (34%) to think the government’s efforts on climate are insufficient.

Views about government efforts to protect the environment in areas such as water or air quality show similar differences among Republicans by ideology, generation and gender."

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YIKES this thread seems to not know what it's about.

What stood out to me... an elder so to speak... is the narcissist thing that young people.... and I include Riley and his wife embrace largely because of the fertile environment of social media. Not only is this how so many young people are making money... selling products and being paid for popularity - CLICKS... something youth from earlier generation did not know.

So you have R&E hunting for publicity and really $$ providing sailing porn for view... and young Greta whose father is chaperoning as well he should be since she's not even of legal age... who believes (right of wrong) that she has a critical message she wants to get out. She too is a creature of the media and social media. Actually nothing will be "$ucce$$ful" without the MSM and social media working for them. Bill McKibben and others before him tried to sound the alarm decades ago. Yet is this very young lady on the autism spectrum who has managed to get more people (especially HER generation) to take notice.

Recall Marshal McLuhan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan) - "The media is the message"... boy did he turn out to be right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan.

I would call the present "The age of Narcissism"... where both voyeurism and exhibitionist are the norm. SLV simple turns the meme into a lifestyle and a healhy income.

Oh yea.... they are sailing across the Atlantic Ocean west to east at the wrong time of year... don't forget that one!
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Perhaps less judgment and more positive support would be a better path for all? Not directed at anyone in particular but having read the thread thatís what I picked up from it. A
Hard to distinguish between a "judgment" (BAD!) and an (informed???) opinion (GOOD).

I don't think anyone on SN wants to see anyone fail in their efforts related to sailing. I happen to think the an "environmental" consciousness is something all human should have. That may mean understanding that what we do has long term and possibly irreversible consequences.

I personally couldn't care less about what some GenXers do with / on their boat. For me there is no redeeming social impact in what they do. It's entertainment I suppose for some... not for me.

I also think promoting any sort of irresponsible behavior as it relates to sailing is not a good thing. But yea people do risking things because risk is attractive to some. Ocean racers prepare for it to mitigate the risk... but they can't remove it.

What SN readers can learn from this effort is about ocean sailing, weather forecasting / routing... and several SN members have stepped up to the plate on that. Thanks to them.

Thank you very much... but reading about their tea kettle is of not impact.
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It's OK everyone, there's a help! A video for the people triggered by this Swedish kid:
The Greta Thunberg Helpline: For adults angry at a child

I say good for her for acting on her beliefs. And she'd getting to have some incredible adventures, too! I think youth and idealism are good things.


Anyway they appear to have changed course and are heading straight to Lisbon now. Rocking 10.2 knots last I checked!
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Carbon is the slavery of the 21st century - Sal Paradise.


It means that we accept as normal now, that which will appear to be completely immoral to future generations.
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Civilization needs fuel and they will exploit what they can... In the last 70 years or so society recognized that energy has a downside as well and it may likely be worse than imagined. Humans will have to find sustainable solutions or their civilization will be in peril... along with many other living things and eco systems. We can only postpone these solutions so long.

This has nothing to do with sailing any more than stamp collecting.
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She's a mouthpiece of her parents activism.

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Really, it's pretty normal for kids to adopt similar views to their parents. If your kids adopt your political and social views, or choose the same church, are they just brain washed mouthpieces of their parent's activism, or politics, or religious dogma? Maybe it reflects that they love their parents, and think that their parents are smart, and they are embracing the values they were taught.
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YIKES this thread seems to not know what it's about.

What stood out to me... an elder so to speak... is the narcissist thing that young people.... and I include Riley and his wife embrace largely because of the fertile environment of social media. Not only is this how so many young people are making money... selling products and being paid for popularity - CLICKS... something youth from earlier generation did not know.

I would call the present "The age of Narcissism"... where both voyeurism and exhibitionist are the norm. SLV simple turns the meme into a lifestyle and a healhy income.
I disagree, I don't think it's anything new. People have been taking "selfies" at favorite vacation spots, ever since the portable camera was invented. Anytime a kid pitched a no-hitter in his little league team, his parents bought up all the newspapers, just to send a copy of the article and photo to all the relatives.

People got excited if they were asked to have their photo on the front of a Wheaties box. As far back as when fashion photography was first invented, young girls had dreams of getting paid to be fashion models.

There is a bit of narcissism behind every parent who has ever video taped a school play, or kids ball game.

And how is Facebook any different than the past generations who subjected their friends to pictures and home movies of their vacation?

I know a kid I went to grade school with, who's family got very excited when he was chosen to model kids clothes in the catalog of a local department store.

Narcissism is a basic human drive. That's why we invented the pronouns "I" and "me" in our language.

I've read many of Riley and Elayna's Patreon supporters say that they provide them something to fantasize about, while they are sitting at work, in some cold, snowy, northern city.

There are people who will never sail a boat, and drop anchor in the Canary Islands, who are willing to pay money to people like Riley and Elayna, so they can do it, and provide videos of it.
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