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Regarding not being able to make the trip without Nikki, Riley admitted to such in his statement ashore. Also said that having her was like having 3 extra crew. So he was clearly grateful for her abilities.
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Not picking on Sander) but comments like this always make me wonder where people get their "facts." I was a bit obsessive about this trip mostly because it seemed like the first "real" sailing Riley had done and sometimes I worry about him (conservative he ain't). So I read all the posts of the participants on multiple social media outlets, followed several threads on various forums and checked the maps twice a day. Nowhere does it state, imply or even hint at Nikki being a lynchpin in the trip's success. Do I believe she was? Yes. But that is just a guess.
I don't think that's accurate, that this is the first "real" sailing Riley has done . I have followed most of their videos during their days sailing their Beneteau, before they got the catamaran. They crossed oceans, and did some pretty serious sailing.

There was one episode in which Elayna flew home to tend to some family matters, and Riley sailed single-handed back to Australia from, I believe some place in Southeast Asia, possibly Indonesia, through a storm. Riley posted a video afterward in which he apologized for not having any video of the actual sailing time through the storm. He explained that he was much too busy sailing through the storm to have time to set up any cameras or worry about filming. He cautioned their viewers not to conclude that sailing is always like they had depicted in their videos, because they often did not have time to make videos of the most extreme periods of sailing. In his processing of the single handed storm passage, Riley said that it was a challenging passage, and he wouldn't care to do one like that again, single handed.

Some people on here, who apparently have not watched many of their videos, seem to have the impression that Elayna has just sat around in her swimsuit, cooked, and played with babies. Before they got the catamaran, and before they had Lenny, Elayna took her share of watches, during which she sailed through some pretty extreme weather, while Riley took his sleep shift. She did sometimes mention on the video, waking him up early from his sleep shift, to consult with him about changing wind conditions and possible need for sail changes.
From watching the videos, I have been pretty impressed with what a brave and capable sailor Elayna is. She's a pretty tough woman, for her size.

I think the reason that Elayna put in less time at the helm, on this trip, has nothing to do with a lack of ability to handle it. In the past videos of their mono-hull sailing adventures, I've been impressed with Alayna's commitment to being an equal sailing partner to Riley, one who has certainly put in her time on watch. I think it probably has more to do with the luxury that they had Nikki there to split watches with Riley, leaving Alayna free to fill her much more important role as "Mum".
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You really don't see how much your own ideology is creating "facts" out of thin air?

You can wish all you want that this is a "smooth well oiled marketing production" but it is still within the realm of possibility its two savvy young 'uns who were at the right place at the right time and cashed in.

Seriously, Riley just doesnt strike me as that savvy. You should read his "book." I don't think you can fake that kind of naivety.
Course you are negating the possibility the chief sponsor , Outreamer, has nothing to do with their blogs. And yes you can fake naivety. Obviously that has charmed you.

Everyone’s ideology colors their own perceptions, yours included. Your presentation as two groups “ half empty” and “ half full” represents that is your fact. I don’t subscribe to that . It reflects a negative and a positive.

While I don’t have a marketing background as you do, my masters in psychology has suggested to me that in the hierarchy of needs the need to be secure is important. To do that they have to eat and house themselves.

Yes the “ two young uns” May have been at the right place at the right time, but yes they have learned and are getting assistance how to maximize that in today’s world .
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I don't think that's accurate, that this is the first "real" sailing Riley has done . I have followed most of their videos during their days sailing their Beneteau, before they got the catamaran. They crossed oceans, and did some pretty serious sailing.
I don't discount Elayna. The fact that everyone assumes that only Nikki and Riley stood watch is one of those things that makes me go "huh." All we know is that those two did the night watches. I assume others chipped in during the day. But I don't know any more than anyone else—its one of the things I think the eventual videos will illuminate.

As to "real" sailing, I guess I was being flip. I'd get on a boat with Riley. He's put more miles on than I ever will. But I do tend to assume he is quite casual about it from watching and reading along, and this is the first time (IMHO) that he's had to take it seriously — as many have pointed out deadly seriously. That's all I meant.
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YIKES.

Not very many passages get anything close to the sort of "attention" that this passage has received. And to me that is precisely the message:

This was a marketing effort first and foremost.

I believe that someone(s) who have lived aboard and sailed for a number of years would undoubtedly be or become a very competent sailor(s). SLV s a business. Outremer is a business. Both do what they do for money. Most people want to enjoy their work SVA is no different.

I think it is fine for Greta to choose sail as a more eco friendly means to get from here to there. That is part of her message. Unfortunately the calendar made this decision not a sound one. I seriously doubt SLV would return to Europe at this time if there wasn't a great marketing opportunity in it. I wish they had done it with a better weather window.... even that is a feat!

We know some people like to be voyeurs for whatever reason. Many pay for peeks as they do with porn. YES YouTubes can be instructive and learning platforms. I suppose some sailing vlogs are. Don't know because I am not seeing them nor will subscribe. I can ask you guys for help and the best advice is found here.

I think this thread needs to be closed. Everything to say about this voyage has been said.

Did anyone learn anything?
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I think this thread needs to be closed. Everything to say about this voyage has been said.
I'm good with that.

BTW Elayna just posted an instagram video of them trying to reef in a 46 knot gust. So if we did want to keep the thread going...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5qYLayh...on_share_sheet
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Re: Sailing La Vegabond

You don’t close threads, because one or more people think enough has been said. They should just stop attending. Threads are closed, when everyone starts arguing over stupid things, getting personal and defending their own hide.

I’d rather continue to discuss the passage, when and if new perspective is offered. I don’t really care if you’re right or if I’m right. It’s a discussion, not a debate, with a score.


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I'm good with that.

BTW Elayna just posted an instagram video of them trying to reef in a 46 knot gust. So if we did want to keep the thread going...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5qYLayh...on_share_sheet
Thanks Mac. Sure did not look like fun. Even Nikki looked a little panicked and Riley looked a little stunned when he came back to the helm. Could not tell if he was attached to a safety line as he was trying to reef the sail but, it looked like a pretty precarious situation. However it looked like to me they cut in some heavy sea footage from another time. Still a good example of some of the conditions they faced. Certainly a little tease for future videos they hope to have out before Christmas.

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I'm good with that.

BTW Elayna just posted an instagram video of them trying to reef in a 46 knot gust. So if we did want to keep the thread going...

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It looks like they still had both seats at that point, but those waves do not look like fun.
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