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YIKES.

Not very many passages get anything close to the sort of "attention" that this passage has received. And to me that is precisely the message:

This was a marketing effort first and foremost.

I believe that someone(s) who have lived aboard and sailed for a number of years would undoubtedly be or become a very competent sailor(s). SLV s a business. Outremer is a business. Both do what they do for money. Most people want to enjoy their work SVA is no different.

I think it is fine for Greta to choose sail as a more eco friendly means to get from here to there. That is part of her message. Unfortunately the calendar made this decision not a sound one. I seriously doubt SLV would return to Europe at this time if there wasn't a great marketing opportunity in it. I wish they had done it with a better weather window.... even that is a feat!

We know some people like to be voyeurs for whatever reason. Many pay for peeks as they do with porn. YES YouTubes can be instructive and learning platforms. I suppose some sailing vlogs are. Don't know because I am not seeing them nor will subscribe. I can ask you guys for help and the best advice is found here.

I think this thread needs to be closed. Everything to say about this voyage has been said.

Did anyone learn anything?
Iím with you Jeff, In everything but closing the thread. Let the people who need to watch reality shows have their fun.
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I learned that it’s apparently easier to cross the mid-atlantic in the off season than I thought it was. Despite having some squalls hit them (It happens - I’ve been hit by squalls on boats in Long Island Sound, Lake Michigan, and the Irish Sea as well as the Atlantic.), they were able to pretty much mosey over at their own pace - certainly not as fast as the westbound raceboat trip to NYC - fairly steadily. Perhaps they had better weather than normal or were lucky. People had dire predictions that didn’t pan out. Perhaps the weather further North was worse, but that was not where they were. They didn’t need a full-keeled Colin Archer double-ender with 100 square feet of sail or freeze-dried rations heated up on a kerosene stove. Glad they made it.

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One of the silver linings here is perhaps it will excite a younger audience about sailing, and get more people involved in the sport.

A whole group of youth who never would have payed attention to the "Vagabond Soap Opera / Reality Show" have now tuned in and maybe they will see something they like.

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I learned that it’s apparently easier to cross the mid-atlantic in the off season than I thought it was.
It helped that they were in an extraordinarily fast sailboat, and could maneuver around or out run some of the more dire weather. In a monohull, they would still be out there slogging through crappy weather.
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Iím with you Jeff, In everything but closing the thread. Let the people who need to watch reality shows have their fun.
If the snippet Elayna posted is any indication, i will be having a ripping time watching their videos. Pro level gear at the hands of pretty talented cameraman is a rare thing in the middle of the Atlantic.
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I learned that itís apparently easier to cross the mid-atlantic in the off season than I thought it was.....
I have no idea how hard you thought it was, but the point about being off season in the north atlantic, does not mean the passage is impossible. It means the risk and difficulty is substantially higher and their success does not demonstrate otherwise. I don't think the squalls you've seen in LIS compare to being in 6 meter confused seas during one. At one point, they had a tropical cyclone bearing down on them and were lucky it petered out, before reaching them.

Nevertheless, I'm very glad they made it too. Ironically, their bad decision would be an even higher order of magnitude, if their success causes others to consider following their path.


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I have no idea how hard you thought it was, but the point about being off season in the north atlantic, does not mean the passage is impossible. It means the risk and difficulty is substantially higher and their success does not demonstrate otherwise. I don't think the squalls you've seen in LIS compare to being in 6 meter confused seas during one. At one point, they had a tropical cyclone bearing down on them and were lucky it petered out, before reaching them.

Nevertheless, I'm very glad they made it too. Ironically, their bad decision would be an even higher order of magnitude, if their success causes others to consider following their path.
Hard to imagine how it would have turned out had Riley stuck to his first decision to not have an additional sailor on board. Nikki's certainly added to making this a successful "mission". Though he has done passages by himself in the past. From the video posted it was far from a smooth passage. Losing one of the helm chairs is another example of how rough things got. No wonder they checked into a hotel. Seems they've had enough boat living for awhile.
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If the snippet Elayna posted is any indication, i will be having a ripping time watching their videos. Pro level gear at the hands of pretty talented cameraman is a rare thing in the middle of the Atlantic.
For quality video take a look at the Brest-Atlantiques web page. https://www.brestatlantiques.com The four boats on the 14,000 race each had a dedicated media guy, with a drone, to make movies the entire time. The first boat has finished, BTW, less than 29 days after the start. They averaged better than 25 knots over the entire course, including a pit stop in Rio for repairs.
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I have no idea how hard you thought it was, but the point about being off season in the north atlantic, does not mean the passage is impossible. It means the risk and difficulty is substantially higher and their success does not demonstrate otherwise. I don't think the squalls you've seen in LIS compare to being in 6 meter confused seas during one. At one point, they had a tropical cyclone bearing down on them and were lucky it petered out, before reaching them.

Nevertheless, I'm very glad they made it too. Ironically, their bad decision would be an even higher order of magnitude, if their success causes others to consider following their path.
Having crossed the North Atlantic IN season and encountered a week of fog, three storms with 18í waves and bitter cold in June, I would have anticipated much worse weather in November than what LaVagabonde seems to have encountered. It is also interesting to see how video editing meshes different scenes to give the impression that they are simultaneous when they are not. It just builds drama.
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I don't think any of the sailing "vloggers" film when the s--t hits the fan unless there are a lot of extra crew onboard that can handle a camera while the real work is being done.
During their 20 days at sea we had over 65,000 deaths and 1.6 million injuries in the US, just from cars alone. maybe they were safer?

I think what they did was great for it being thrust on them at the last moment when the other boat back out. Their subscribers pay nothing to be entertained watching sailing and travel videos that evolve from their sailing.
Less than .3% of the 1.2 million subscribers are "Patreons" that have pledged money per video or per month to help them. They obviously get money from You Tube for the views and ads that people have to see to watch their or any others videos.
La Vagabond, Delos, Zatara, etc. all say it takes about 60 hours of filming and editing to produce a 15 - 20 min video of quality. That's why they have so many followers, but it is a job.

It's entertainment...Not sure there is much difference between watching a NFL game on Sunday on the television or watching a sailing video. You didn't pay for either...if you do, you could go to the game and pay $70 - 200 per seat for a few hours of football and get a $12 hot dog.
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Is filming work?

pay attention... someone's life depends on it
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