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I certainly don't think Greta is anything more than a spoilt kid who should be at school. Why has she had months away from school?
She is not the producer, actor, presenter or writer of her life. She is the manipulated inanimate object of her parents activism.


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Curious why you think sheís being manipulated by her parents, Mark?

From what Iíve read of their family story her
Mom was an actress and her dad was a writer, and Gretaís curiosity and passion for sustainability and climate issues came from influences outside the family. Her folks have supported her, surely, but it doesnít appear that they are the driving force behind her passion.

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I certainly don't think Greta is anything more than a spoilt kid who should be at school. Why has she had months away from school?
She is not the producer, actor, presenter or writer of her life. She is the manipulated inanimate object of her parents activism.


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Valid points here. However at what age does an child have agency? She may have beliefs about the environment. She got them from some place....her parents? WWW? I don't know. She is still a minor and apparently her parents are supporting her. Recall Laura Dekker...

"Laura Dekker (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈlʌuraː ˈdɛkər]; born 20 September 1995) is a New Zealand-born Dutch sailor. In 2009, she announced her plan to become the youngest person to circumnavigate the globe single-handed. A Dutch court stepped in, owing to the objections of the local authorities, and prevented Dekker from departing while under shared custody of both her parents. In July 2010, a Dutch family court ended this custody arrangement, and the record-breaking attempt finally began on 21 August 2010. Dekker successfully completed the solo circumnavigation in a 12.4-metre (40 ft) two-masted ketch, arriving in Simpson Bay,[2] Sint Maarten, 518 days later at the age of 16"

Laura proved to be competent. Greta has somehow managed to become a icon the the youth's concern about the environment. Adults made most of that happen.... some for cynical reason... like Outremer etc.

But for people of all ages who care about the environment... they see her as raising consciousness and that is not a bad thing. Debate is ongoing.

People who go for "fame" make a sort of deal with the devil...it goes with the territory and most are more than willing to make the deal.

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Curious why you think she’s being manipulated by her parents, Mark?

From what I’ve read of their family story her
Mom was an actress and her dad was a writer,.. .
Hi Andy,


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I'd start there.

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I cut something out. Self moderating...? Lol
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I'd start there.

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I cut something out. Self moderating...? Lol


My fault....I got off the sailing topic!
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I certainly don't think Greta is anything more than a spoilt kid who should be at school. Why has she had months away from school?
She is not the producer, actor, presenter or writer of her life. She is the manipulated inanimate object of her parents activism.

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That is one possible assessment. Another is, that she is a girl who learned a passion from her parents, about environmentalism and a concern for the future of our planet. Then her passion grew with the intensity of adolescence, and maybe she has parents who support her passions and interests and look for creative ways to inspire and enhance them. There are more ways for kids to gain an education than just sitting in desks in a classroom.

There are a lot of parents who allow their kids time out of school to train and compete in the Olympics, travel to do aid work in other countries, and sail around the world. There is the family on Sailing Zatara, the Casper Craven family, and Jamie and Behan Gifford, all home schooling their kids on sailboats. Their biology lessons might be snorkeling in the Azores, and their language lessons might be practicing their Spanish and Q'eqchi' in Belize.

Greta has now crossed the Atlantic Ocean twice, visited the US for the first time, and addressed the United Nations. As an educator, if Greta could write or speak informatively about her experience, upon her return, I'd have no problem signing off on a semester's worth of school credit for Social Studies, Geography, Environmental Sciences, Political Science, and maybe Language Arts.

Plus, she is traveling with her father. Have you ever done some extended adventure travel with your kids? Today, some of the best father/child bonding memories my kids mention, are the trips I took with them.
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Does anyone know where one could find Gretaís documented position on climate? I understand the benefit of raising awareness, but itís hollow without a particular stance. What exactly does she want to see done and what does she see it accomplishing? I thought Iíd find a website with this info.

Greta is currently 16 years old. I understand she got her start by skipping school and protesting outside Swedish government offices. I highly doubt sheís on a life experience study program. One canít help but be impressed with her courage and conviction, but thatís not a full life.


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That is one possible assessment. Another is, that she is a girl who learned a passion from her parents,
The same as the 7 year old transgender Texan who is about to have its penic cut off?


Laws in most countries have adulthood at 18 by legislation... But scientists say the human brain hadn't developed fully until 25.

Whatever 16 is, it's as close to 7 years old as 25.


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Does anyone know where one could find Gretaís documented position on climate? I understand the benefit of raising awareness, but itís hollow without a particular stance. What exactly does she want to see done and what does she see it accomplishing? I thought Iíd find a website with this info.

Greta is currently 16 years old. I understand she got her start by skipping school and protesting outside Swedish government offices. I highly doubt sheís on a life experience study program. One canít help but be impressed with her courage and conviction, but thatís not a full life.
I don't imagine Greta sought the position she now finds herself in. But she is not shirking it and perhaps exploiting it believing it spreads her core message that humans need to change their behavior and safe a planet's.... she sees (others do as well) from hastening the loss of species and habitats... life on earth as we know it. But sure the planet will go on as it cares not for life on earth or the level of the seas or the plastic floating on them. If she raises consciousness and gets people to reduce, reuse, recycle and so on she is accomplishing something. What's wrong with that?

Most posters will be long gone when her generation is left with what we hand them

Sailors on the boats out there understand the necessity of conservation and working with their environment. Sailors don't toss their refuse over board.
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Snapping a quick picture at a beach bar, or a short vid, on your phone and texting it to your friends to let them see is not work.

It's also not what they are doing. I have to believe you don't watch any of this to have any idea what it must take to create these videos. There is the constant filming, during every experience you are having. That is work. Have you ever been the one who was responsible for filming your kid doing something. By the time you're done looking through the lens or at the screen and getting it all in frame, you feel like you missed it in real life.

There there is the B-roll of all the secondary shots they'll talk over later and all the set ups. One often sees a vid of a hike on an island, with both characters in the shot. They had already hiked up that trail, placed the camera, hiked back and re-hiked past it. Yes, it's work.

Then, imagine having to re-watch hours of awful footage that was being captured in bulk, just to find 15 minutes worth using. Finally, these popular channels have mastered real editing techniques. They aren't home movies.

Do you think TV shows, Movies, Travel Documentaries, etc, are work?
Such hard work..Hrs and hrs to edit....not hardly.

maybe what you mean is time consuming. I am sure it takes some time.

So many people when they work in a job work at least 40 hours per week. 8 per day. How many hours does it take to edit this stuff. Are you sure they donít have professional Outreamer help?

Iím not minimizing that it does take a certain commitment and time however letís get real and not make it out to be more than it is, They have no deadlines like a real job.


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..... If she raises consciousness and gets people to reduce, reuse, recycle and so on she is accomplishing something. What's wrong with that?......
Nothing overtly wrong with it. It may not be time or resources well spent, unless I can understand what is actually being suggested.

Reforestation sounds like a very important and viable action we could all be taking. Recycling may actually be useless for some materials, soaking up huge amounts of funding.

The species is not going to move backwards, so any effort there is wasting time, as self righteous as the movement wants to be. The pragmatists will solve this problem. The activists never do.


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