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I have a Windows XP laptop running Polar Navy's PolarView NS with a BU-353 USB receiver. Unfortunately, PolarView has been discontinued, and my NOAA chart updates (raster and vector) for PolarView will end in June 2020. I have tried OpenCPN, SeaClear, and others, but PolarView was FAR easier to use. I hope to figure out a work around for chart updates.

Like others, I refuse to purchase a Garmin since my GPSmap 478 has been relegated to a paper weight by Garmin.

I have a Raymarine eS78 at the helm (tactical), and use the Windows laptop at the navigation station for route planning (strategic).


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I have a Windows XP laptop running Polar Navy's PolarView NS with a BU-353 USB receiver. Unfortunately, PolarView has been discontinued, and my NOAA chart updates (raster and vector) for PolarView will end in June 2020. I have tried OpenCPN, SeaClear, and others, but PolarView was FAR easier to use. I hope to figure out a work around for chart updates.

Like others, I refuse to purchase a Garmin since my GPSmap 478 has been relegated to a paper weight by Garmin.

I have a Raymarine eS78 at the helm (tactical), and use the Windows laptop at the navigation station for route planning (strategic).
I also tried and subscribed to Polar View. I found it slow, at least on my gear, and very basic. Open CPN has worked much better in its latest iterations. When I first tried it a few years ago on XP machines, it repeatedly crashed but this seems to have been fixed. Sailcruiser by Navsim also discontinued its product although I was recently able to still contact very capable tech people there and get updates and access codes to change computers. Sailcruiser has all the right stuff for sailing including use of polars. It has more than I'll ever utilize. Am sad that this sailing-specific program has been discontinued.

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Re: Charts and Chartplotters

Hey,

I don't understand the Garmin hate. Garmin owns Navionics, and I don't think that (modern) Garmin gear requires a proprietary chart. I may be wrong because my only garmin GPS is a GPSMAP 78, but I run Navionics on it.

Just because you can't get new charts doesn't seem like a good reason to stop using a functional plotter. How often do charts change? How often do you actually update the charts (and your paper charts)?

I use Navionics on my Iphone, Ipad, and laptop (laptop used for planning purposes only, not for actual navigation) and I love it. My Garmin is stand alone (I use on other people's boats) so I don't need to share routes, tracks, etc. with other gear like on my own boat. There have been a number of review of Navionics on this site recently. I'm sure you can find them.

My last comment on old gear. How long do you expect old gear to be used and supported? Five years, 10 year, 20 years? IMHO if you get 10 years from electronic gear then that's pretty good.

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I'm betting Garmin bought Navionics, after realizing their proprietary BlueChart was a failure. Literally the worst nav system I've used.


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Re: Charts and Chartplotters

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Hey,

I don't understand the Garmin hate. Garmin owns Navionics, and I don't think that (modern) Garmin gear requires a proprietary chart. I may be wrong because my only garmin GPS is a GPSMAP 78, but I run Navionics on it.

Just because you can't get new charts doesn't seem like a good reason to stop using a functional plotter. How often do charts change? How often do you actually update the charts (and your paper charts)?

I use Navionics on my Iphone, Ipad, and laptop (laptop used for planning purposes only, not for actual navigation) and I love it. My Garmin is stand alone (I use on other people's boats) so I don't need to share routes, tracks, etc. with other gear like on my own boat. There have been a number of review of Navionics on this site recently. I'm sure you can find them.

My last comment on old gear. How long do you expect old gear to be used and supported? Five years, 10 year, 20 years? IMHO if you get 10 years from electronic gear then that's pretty good.

Barry

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Just curious:
How do you get weather? We use satphone email, Sailmail via 802 SSB/ pacnor, voice on SSB
But also pay attention to radar. Usually leave radar unfiltered so rain shows up early.
How many crew do you have? Are they good or just sit with earplugs in and tunes going as they look at their phone/pad? We like having Radar/AIS on all screens and active alarm zones.
Do you hand steer or use a AP or vane? It’s no issue in the middle of the passage but usually fix with a pin so windvane is off and use the AP for the first day and last day of passage.
Charts usually aren’t the issue mid ocean but only at the hard edges. Hand steering gets old fast even with a big crew.
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Re: Charts and Chartplotters

check out Coastal Explorer for a windows system. Its really a great tool for planning and cruising, very easy to use yet extremely rich. One license covers 3 systems so you can have it at home and on the boat surface pro. It is windows only. NOAA charts are free. Couple it with an AIS device like vesper marine 8000 (which you should have anyways for safety) and you've got GPS over nema, usb, or wifi. Our boat is well equipped with simrad (with wifi) so we currently use coastal explorer for planning and backup but we used to use it exclusively for coastal sailing. worked fine for coastal but wanted more for offshore. it does cost a few $hundred but in my opinion well worth it.
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OK, were I to go the tablet route, how would I mount it at the helm (in a pod?), and be able to alter screens and views as I do on my MFD, use the touch screen, have a power cord running to it, and have it waterproof enough to take water (not spray) on it?
Nothing anyone has said here addresses these factors.
As for Garmin, how often do any of you, other than Mark, travel far enough that you would require more than a few of Garmin's proprietary charts chips? I use one for Bermuda, one for the eastern Caribbean and one for the western Caribbean. Big deal; 3 chips! Even if one was sailing from the PNW to New England, only 4 or maybe 5 chips would be necessary, considering all US waters (even Ak & Hawaii) are preloaded into all Garmin chartplotters.
That certainly wouldn't (hasn't!) put me off buying a Garmin GPS chartplotter that has given me excellent, reliable and consistently accurate service for over 14 years now, with the last 12 sitting in a pod 24/7/365 at the pedestal, exposed to rain, sun and humidity. It is handy to the helm, easily reached to change screens, view the radar, weather (if in range of SiriusXM Marine Weather), always plugged in and never needs charging, easily read in daylight or dark, 100% waterproof.
And, if one is stuck on the helm for an extended time steering through some heavy weather near shore, what would you folks touting the computer/tablet route use for navigation once your battery has worn down, given that the computer/tablet you are using has survived the several waves that most likely have engulfed the cockpit in those conditions?
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You did not understand...

my Laptop has no GPS.... it needs an external one to use as a plotter.

Which external GPS antenna/receiver do people use? What the options? The differences and the costs? Which port do they use?
Here, I have one of these:

https://www.thegpsstore.com/USGlobal...ver-P3219.aspx

It works as it should, no problems. When you run the programming software (included with purchase) you'll want to continue to use the same USB port moving forward. The laptop may not able to "find it" plugged in elsewhere.

This is really very simple stuff.
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Hey,

I don't understand the Garmin hate. Garmin owns Navionics, and I don't think that (modern) Garmin gear requires a proprietary chart. I may be wrong because my only garmin GPS is a GPSMAP 78, but I run Navionics on it.

Just because you can't get new charts doesn't seem like a good reason to stop using a functional plotter. How often do charts change? How often do you actually update the charts (and your paper charts)?

I use Navionics on my Iphone, Ipad, and laptop (laptop used for planning purposes only, not for actual navigation) and I love it. My Garmin is stand alone (I use on other people's boats) so I don't need to share routes, tracks, etc. with other gear like on my own boat. There have been a number of review of Navionics on this site recently. I'm sure you can find them.

My last comment on old gear. How long do you expect old gear to be used and supported? Five years, 10 year, 20 years? IMHO if you get 10 years from electronic gear then that's pretty good.

Barry
Actually, charts change quite often. CG moves buoys constantly, eliminates buoys, and updates shoaling and danger areas. Having updated charts is important when making any kind of extended trip. Keeping up on the CG "Notice to Mariners" is equally important.

I have heard that the Navionics system is good. Some like the charting accuracy better than NOAA charts. I have never had a problem with NOAA charts myself and have travelled up and down the East Coast and ICW a number of times using primarily the NOAA Raster/ENC formats. I have found the updated ENC (Vector) depth charting on the ICW, even through the problem spots on the ICW, to be very accurate and dependable. They are regularly updated. No way would I trust outdated Garmin or any other charts for that. Navigating difficult sections is an exercise in trusting the buoys. It sure helps when you know what is coming up by being able to see accurate charts.

I expect any expensive electronic gadget to be supported until the end of any reasonable expected lifespan. My 376C, a great little unit, still works 100% but is largely useless now because no charts, chart cards, Bluecharts, or any updates are available. I believe 2012 is the latest chart set produced by Garmin that will run on the 376C. We have a throw-away psychology that people have come to accept as normal, such as $1000 smartphones that have irreplaceable batteries or the wonder of the "no flip" mattress. Unless we consumers demand better quality and value, we get what we deserve.

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