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Re: Winter sailing from Annapolis to St. Martin - Follow "Zanshin"

cthoops - I said that new engine designs won't be without electronics, the Beta engine was designed in the 90's IIRC. Along similar lines I drive a Harley and the only way that the engine will pass emissions is by running it very lean and hot and tweaking the ECU so it just barely squeaks by. I think it would surprising if boat engine emissions won't get more restrictive as time goes by and at some point in the very near future standards will get tougher and existing engines will get "grandfathered" in, just as what happened in the USA and Europe with 2-stroke outboards.


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Re: Winter sailing from Annapolis to St. Martin - Follow "Zanshin"

GM 71 & 54 series diesels have been using the 'common rail' system since 1938. They never had electronic controls and yet were a pretty economical engine with a 6-71 naturally aspirated engine developing 225 hp @ about 5 gph (2100rpm). Nothing wrong with the system and apparently no need to get all fragile with electronic controls. However, the greatest thing about those engines was 70% parts interchangeability withing the series. Beat that with the modern fancy pants engines designed today!

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capta - the fuel consumption on the GM 71 might be good, but we are talking about emissions requirements here. And the only way to minimize those are to very carefully control the combustion mixture, and that has so many variables (ambient temperature, fuel temperature, humidity, ambient pressure, fuel pressure, etc.) which cannot be adequately regulated using mechanical means. This means electronic sensors and computers are required to meet emissions. It might not be nice as I'd rather have a mechanical engine without electronic doo-dads but going forward that is the way it will have to be.


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Re: Winter sailing from Annapolis to St. Martin - Follow "Zanshin"

There was an article in the local newspaper a couple weeks ago about how farmers seek out pre-1980 tractors because they're easier to repair:
For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity
Tractors built in 1980 or earlier cause bidding wars at auctions


On the other hand, it is possible to make reliable electronics. We had a 2007 Toyota Prius. Everything was electronic on that car. We drove it for 13 years and would still be driving it if a hit-and-run drive hadnít totaled it while it was parked. We never had a single thing go wrong with any of the electronics. We have another Prius, the plug-in kind, ordered and itís on a boat from Japan right now.

So if Toyota can make incredibly complex electronics incredibly reliable, why canít diesel manufacturers?

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Minnesail - lookup everyone's favorite U.K. electronics supplier - Lucas Their bad reputation was truly deserved back in the day!

I just returned from provisioning the boat for tomorrow's passage start (or perhaps on Sunday if the system moves slowly). I got the manifold pressure sensor at the VW dealership today and installed it. That cleared my ECU fault and I also managed to get the variable vanes on the turbocharger moving freely which might have contributed to the problem. Since the 2000RPM issue only manifested itself under load I won't know if everything is now working correctly until I get underway.

Laundry is freshly done and some of the important provisioning supplies come from a company called "Samuel Adams" while all the fresh fruits and veggies come from a local grocery strangely named "Harris Teeter".


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After some back and forth this morning with the weather, where at first a departure in the next 4 days wouldn't be advisable, the new weather information does give me a departure window. Thus I intend to depart the docks on a late rising tide (due to the 8 foot channel and my 8.7 foot draft) tomorrow morning and then head out to sea. I can already taste the Caribe beers in St. Martin! I'll turn on the SPOT tracker shortly before leaving the docks so that this thread can once again get a bit of action. It will be interesting for me to see what has transpired here during the trip - I can just imagine a post of "Oh no, he's heading right towards the weather" and when I get back in range I'll be able to agree or disagree with posts.


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oh no he's heading right towards the weather! ;-)
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Re: Winter sailing from Annapolis to St. Martin - Follow "Zanshin"

It looks perfect!

Get Easting!

Really looks good.

Have fun and remember: Every day will be warmer!


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Re: Winter sailing from Annapolis to St. Martin - Follow "Zanshin"

Did you get the notice that they moved the Mail Buoy?

pay attention... someone's life depends on it
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