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As no one except me has seen the fireworks close up recently can I chuck in my experience??

The last year on the Hudson I took the boat out. It was a complete and utter waste of time.
The Exclusion zone was 1 nm.
Then was the tourist/commercial boat zone. Also 1nms. These were all big boat one coudlnt see past.
Then was the pleasure boat zone. BUT the USCG wouldnt allow us near the back of the commercial zone, we had to stay back ,5nm. So we were 5 nms from the Fireworks.
They were so small at that range to be stupidly useless.


On the first year on the East River you walked (remember that word as all roads are closed, huge security areas etc etc etc) to the FDR Drive. There you get a great view. Or on the Brooklyn side.
There was no visibility for boats whatsoever. Tourist boats ever could only see it side on.

Now, 2020 the exact location has moved down river a few meters to be near the Brooklyn Bridge.

Also the best place to view this year will be the closed FDR Drive. Or on the Brooklyn side on the waterfront.
Governors Island will only see it side on, too... but that might be OK but it looks like a ticketed event.

To get any sort of real view leave the boat at home. Walk in from wherever. Go in by subway until it cant get closer and walk.
I went into town a few hours early and found a bar near the entry and got drunk for a few hours before it was time to go through security.
The timeing of that was *exact*. If you are in too early you will be shoved along the FDR Drive to the end. Too late and you wont get in at all. Its difficult to be perfect... but I was, of course

Is it worth it? Yes, YES, Yes! Its 100 times worth it to get properly close to watch these fireworks. Theres only one NY 4th of July Fireworks in the world and to see then blasting up all around you is a memory implanted for life. But the fireworks themselves are nothing all that special. Whats special is the Vivbe of the 4th of July in da big apple. So if its likely be a once in a lifetime event then you need to see them from close up where you are rubbing shoulders with a million Americans on their national day. I travel the world visiting countries National Days. Without doubt they are fantastic!

Here is the 2019 Fate National / Bastille Day. I was in France so whcih 4 hour train trip did I do?



Tourism is going to see. "Going".


https://www.visitmacysusa.com/event/...july-fireworks
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That Brooklyn marina is 0.5 nm from the fireworks.


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I saw the fireworks last year and was on FDR drive so you arenít the only one who has the most recent experience I think. I also was present in the Armada of boats at the Statue of Liberty in 1986 with the tall ships and fireworks.

The NY fireworks are very impressive and certainly first rate. For most it would be a real treat , HOWEVER,
I am lucky I live where I do.

The BEST US 4th of July fireworks are on the National Mall in Washington DC. We have traveled there a number of times.

The viewing is uncompromised. Surrounded by Americaís most famous monuments itís an undisputed display. The flyovers of the various services aircrafts from the helicopters, warplanes and bombers rivals most air shows ( without the theatrics) . The music performed by the various service bands and headliners is great. And the fireworks display awesome.

There is no bad viewing display. I have been lucky to have seen it from many different vantage points from the steps of the Capitol building, to the Ellipse at the Washington monument, the Vietnam Wall , but the best ....the Lincoln Memorial.

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Mark has pretty much sized up the 4th experience on the water.
Over the years I have been very fortunate to be able to view fireworks up close, both on the
Hudson and East river, from land, in very civilized settings. Traveling go and from is another story.

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That Brooklyn marina is 0.5 nm from the fireworks.
Used to watch fireworks (from land/waterfront) just a few hundred feet north from where
One 15 Marina is now. Viewing from marina is spectacular without question. The rub is when boats leave after fireworks over. The adventure of boats on the water have been covered.
I am talking about being tied up at a dock/marina.
The worst was the centennial for the Stat of Lib. in '87, boats start leaving fast when fireworks over, first the small power boats, followed by larger cruiser, tour boats and so on. Chop builds becoming waves then ever growing 8 ft? rollers coming into confined shallow water and then refract out again. Was very impressive, especially to my brothers friend who sailed his boat up from (think) Baltimore and tied up for the day. As well as the crew and families of the 60-70 ft. tugs that tied up.
Maybe that won't happen this year, as that year fireworks were south in the upper harbor and boats were all headed north and this year that area will probably be a no go zone with barges launching fireworks and boats will head either north or south sparing the marina.
I, for one not interested.
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And this year might be the last year of the fireworks....

Today's Wall Street Journal
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Macy's to Close 125 Department Stores, Exit Weakest Malls
CEO says retailer couldnít solve woes of ailing shopping centers, plans to open smaller format stores outside of malls


Macyís Inc. M +0.03% plans to close 125 department stores over the next three years, an admission that a fifth of its locations cannot thrive as shoppers buy more online and make fewer trips to malls.

The company is also cutting roughly 2,000 corporate jobs, or 10% of corporate and support staff, and closing several offices. It will abandon a dual headquarters in Cincinnatióa structure Macyís has kept since 1994 when it was still one of the countryís biggest retailersóand put all headquarters roles in New York.

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Mark has pretty much sized up the 4th experience on the water.
Over the years I have been very fortunate to be able to view fireworks up close, both on the
Hudson and East river, from land, in very civilized settings. Traveling go and from is another story.



Used to watch fireworks (from land/waterfront) just a few hundred feet north from where
One 15 Marina is now. Viewing from marina is spectacular without question. The rub is when boats leave after fireworks over. The adventure of boats on the water have been covered.
I am talking about being tied up at a dock/marina.
The worst was the centennial for the Stat of Lib. in '87, boats start leaving fast when fireworks over, first the small power boats, followed by larger cruiser, tour boats and so on. Chop builds becoming waves then ever growing 8 ft? rollers coming into confined shallow water and then refract out again. Was very impressive, especially to my brothers friend who sailed his boat up from (think) Baltimore and tied up for the day. As well as the crew and families of the 60-70 ft. tugs that tied up.
Maybe that won't happen this year, as that year fireworks were south in the upper harbor and boats were all headed north and this year that area will probably be a no go zone with barges launching fireworks and boats will head either north or south sparing the marina.
I, for one not interested.
I disagree. Watching the fireworks from ones own boat is a unique experience and one I'd rather do than mingle with tens of thousands of people packed on the pavement. I like the ability to light up the BBQ and enjoy adult beverages at my will. Not to mention having the head nearby. Of course I would always anchor in a place like New York Harbor and not spend the evening trying to avoid other boats vying for views who are just floating around. Likewise I would never leave the anchorage until the next day to avoid the gotta gotta boats who leave right after the show and create monster wakes in the mass flotilla.

Even in my home port I don't leave the mooring on the fourth. There are several localities that have their own fireworks displays with in a mile of the mooring on the beach and the wealthy folks in the hills surrounding the harbor who put on their own displays. 360 degrees of fireworks makes for a great night. After that I watch the parade of boats trying to enter the harbor at the same time and scratch my head as to why they would leave in the first place.
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And this year might be the last year of the fireworks....

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It will be interesting to see how they handle their sponsorship of both the fireworks and the Thanksgiving Day parade. Both are NYC institutions.

However, Iím sure there would be a replacement. Amazon, Google, Apple, PayPal, Facebook, etc. Itís 2020.
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It will be interesting to see how they handle their sponsorship of both the fireworks and the Thanksgiving Day parade. Both are NYC institutions.

However, Iím sure there would be a replacement. Amazon, Google, Apple, PayPal, Facebook, etc. Itís 2020.

They'd be lined up. In fact I wonder why Maceys havent been out budgeted for them years ago. Must be some kewl grandfathering clause in the contract with the City.
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It will be interesting to see how they handle their sponsorship of both the fireworks and the Thanksgiving Day parade. Both are NYC institutions.

However, Iím sure there would be a replacement. Amazon, Google, Apple, PayPal, Facebook, etc. Itís 2020.
Agree and hope one would step up to the plate.
But thinking Amazon may not be exactly thrilled with NYC right now!

But from business point of view, thinking Macy's parade/fireworks budget
is dwarfed by amount of goodwill/exposure generated. Would be hard to replicate with
traditional ad $.
Guess all depends how close or how long they can stave off the grim reaper.
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I disagree. Watching the fireworks from ones own boat is a unique experience and one I'd rather do than mingle with tens of thousands of people packed on the pavement. I like the ability to light up the BBQ and enjoy adult beverages at my will. Not to mention having the head nearby. Of course I would always anchor in a place like New York Harbor and not spend the evening trying to avoid other boats vying for views who are just floating around. Likewise I would never leave the anchorage until the next day to avoid the gotta gotta boats who leave right after the show and create monster wakes in the mass flotilla.

Even in my home port I don't leave the mooring on the fourth. There are several localities that have their own fireworks displays with in a mile of the mooring on the beach and the wealthy folks in the hills surrounding the harbor who put on their own displays. 360 degrees of fireworks makes for a great night. After that I watch the parade of boats trying to enter the harbor at the same time and scratch my head as to why they would leave in the first place.
I agree. Watching F/W's from ones own boat is a unique and magical experience.
Have done many times ... just not in NY harbor on 4th of July.

I agree. If viewing F/W's on the boat in NY harbor on the 4th one would want to anchor and
stay the night. But anchoring won't necessarily mean you will be avoiding other boats which may be marginally anchored too close to each other or when those leaving pick their way thru your anchorage. Actually "most" go thru without ever having to fend off, touch n go or catching a anchor rode.

I agree. Enjoying from home mooring in a F/W rich area makes for a great night. Even getting under way, say going to the next harbor not soo bad. Just wait a half hour for the crowd to go after the show before heading back, much less drama. But very different from what one would experience in NY harbor.

Everyone should do and experience what they are comfortable with, read and take away from here that which makes sense to them and be safe. Certain things are not for me and I do other that my friends say are nuts. (they are most likely right / sailed all afternoon today on Long Island sound)

See how agreeable I am, my wife told me I have to be more agreeable.
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