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I am looking for local climate, weather, and sailing information for a spring delivery of a sailboat from Port St Lucie, FL to Troy, NY end of March beginning of April. I would like to go outside but am concerned about prevailing Northerlies in the Gulf Stream. Also concerned about running 24/7 inside, Thoughts Please???
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Re: East Coast sailing North

I did a 24/7 inside trip on a 72' shrimp trawler and running the ditch at night is not something one should contemplate lightly.
You are right to be concerned about northerlies in the Gulfstream but, if you watch the weather closely and go inside on bad weather days, you should be OK. If you decide on daylight runs inside it will about double the time you expect the trip should take.
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I am looking for local climate, weather, and sailing information for a spring delivery of a sailboat from Port St Lucie, FL to Troy, NY end of March beginning of April. I would like to go outside but am concerned about prevailing Northerlies in the Gulf Stream. Also concerned about running 24/7 inside, Thoughts Please???
+1 on both ehirlihy and Capta’s comments (although I might think taking the inside route would at least triple the travel time).

What kind of boat is it, Rantz, and who will you have along as crew? That info could help folks provide more insight.

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Re: East Coast sailing North

You may not have to nor want to be going north in the stream.... but you don't have to do the ditch... I was crew on a delivery from that left florida and went to Wrightsville Beach... switch to owner's new boat a used Stevens 50 and then up to LIS via the East River. It was not winter time. It was a fine trip.
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Boat is a refit 36 footer and our crew are 6 seasoned boaters 4 of them sailors. Outside is tempting as sailing the boat will be faster, route is shorter, and running 24/7 is practical.
What are the prevailing winds up the coast of FL to Cape Hatteras and beyond that time of year End of March Start of April?
What are some of the 'better' stretches of the ICW?
Are there locally used weather apps that have better forecasting than others?
Any local knowledge would be appreciated
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Boat is a refit 36 footer and our crew are 6 seasoned boaters 4 of them sailors. Outside is tempting as sailing the boat will be faster, route is shorter, and running 24/7 is practical.
What are the prevailing winds up the coast of FL to Cape Hatteras and beyond that time of year End of March Start of April?
What are some of the 'better' stretches of the ICW?
Are there locally used weather apps that have better forecasting than others?
Any local knowledge would be appreciated
Google; pilot charts east coast usa and the month for the winds, but remember, climate change is not really a Chinese plot to hinder the American economy, so what you read may not be as accurate as it was some years back.
I can't help you with internet stuff and sailing the ditch as most of my trips have been @ 25+ knots on sport fishing machines, much before the internet, when there were still plenty of bridges even those boats couldn't get under.
One point to remember, the Corps of Engineers have built up shallow water protection around all of the in-water marks, mainly to protect the marks from barges, but they'll nab a sailboat quick as can be if you venture too close. In other words, the marks do not indicate the edge of shallow water, they are in shallow water.
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We have traveled the ICW from New Bern, NC to Miami twelve times (thirteen is right now) in our sailboat. Commercial vessels do run in the ICW at night, but... They have a serious spotlight placed so that it does not illuminate anything on the boat that is constantly probing the area in front of the boat. A sailboat with rigging simply does not. You will never see as well as they do. GPS and radar don't cut it as we have found in fog. Confusion and uncertainty reign when you can not see. Floating logs, debris, and crab pots will all be ahead of you. But more importantly, they are frequent users of their route, and they know it like the back of their hand. They have been there, done that for years. They know where Clem sets his traps, they know where that dock extends into the channel, and they know where the shoaling is.

We anchor at night and have only called a towing service once when the coolant pump pulley fell off the water pump in the Rock Pile. I'm not sure how we would have handled that at night.

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Re: East Coast sailing North

IDK, I think the weather will dictate your strategy along the way. You could, for instance, "pick a weather window" for an offshore leg to the Cape Fear River, with perhaps Charleston as a bail out port. (if needed) If the weather is holding, you could stay offshore or duck inside until it clears again. You'll be inside the stream for most of that.

Getting around Hatteras you'd want to pick your window again. If the wind/weather is not cooperative to get around Hatteras you could make north inside and exit again when favorable, at say Norfolk. I think you'll find that getting a reliable weather picture beyond 5 days is difficult, so you'll just have to make decisions along the way. Planning the options is key IMHO.

Or you could roll the dice and Ride the Stream and pay attention the forecasts. ;-)
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Re: East Coast sailing North

ICW at night. Not happening on a sailboat. Bridges? Navigation in the dark? I made a night trip down the Chesapeake on a 56 footer with radar, AIS, and chartplotter. Experienced 4 person crew. It was an eye opener. The amount of commercial traffic was amazing. Considering that the Chesapeake is a lot wider than the ICW, I'd wouldn't chance the ICW at night. The problem with going offshore 24/7 at that time of the year is the uncertainty of the forecasts due to quick moving fronts coming out of the midwest and mid south. Good planning and a willingness to not adhere to a tight timetable it is doable. The first day you get a strong Noreaster near the stream you will realize that it probably isn't a great idea. Better time would be early May when weather is more stable.
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