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How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

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So I'm looking at a new-to-me boat, an Ericson 28+ The thread for it is here.

One of the biggest problems is that the hull coverings and headliner are gone. They say they have all the old cloth pieces for templates, but how big of a job is this going to be?

I'm fairly mechanically inclined, actually I'm a welder/fabricator by trade. But wood and cloth are not my normal element. In my searches online it looks like it would be easiest to insulate it with foam sheets, then use either PVC sheets, or FRP sheets or even formica sheets to finish it off.

For all you guys that have done these types of jobs, is this something that can easily be done in a weekend or even a full day? How expensive is it likely to be?

I'm hoping that I can get by with a couple hundred dollars in materials, and then about 10 or 12 hours of labor, but maybe it's a lot more involved than what I'm thinking.
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Re: How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

We dread pulling down the headliners to do work up there. It's a jigsaw puzzle that really takes a lot of futzing around to get them back up correctly.

Ours are plywood with a some kind of cloth covering, which may be particular to Pearsons or at least this Pearson. Another one of those "if we win the lotto" changes we'd like to make.

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Re: How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

I'm guessing there was carpeting, or something, in the forepeak originally. I would just paint that part. Clean, degrease, prime, and paint with a marine topsides paint. The 2 part paints are a little more expensive, and a bit tougher. The really top-end way to do this would be to epoxy on vertical trips of wood, then screw strips of wood horizontally. I have never done a headliner. I'm guessing that would not cost much money, but, will be very fiddley.
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tIt's not the kind of project I would like to do, but it doesn't look difficult. there are so many boats for sale out there that there should be something within your budget that doesn't need this kind of work. Nevertheless, it really is just a cosmetic fix. Your estimate sounds a little low in materials and labor, but not by an order of magnitude. The hull sides can be covered with something like an outdoor carpet material: very close nap, water resistant. That's what was on my Oday. No insulation; just glued to the glass. Make some brown paper templates, figure out how much you need and go to Lowe's or Home Depot and find something neutrally colored. Cut according to the templates, and glue it down. The headliner could be covered with plastic beadboard or formica. I can't tell from the pictures if there are furring strips already glued to the "ceiling", but it would be no big deal to epoxy 1x1/2 inch strips to the underside there, and then screw the beadboard or formica to the strips. Cover the seams with moulding, and Bob's your uncle.
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Was this boat sunk? Looks like mold on the wood. I did our cabin in horizontal cherry stripes screwed to vertical battens epoxied to the hull. Got a planer and bandsaw? No? Then use either car trunk liner carpet or a tight weave outdoor carpet held on with carpet adhesive.

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tIt's not the kind of project I would like to do, but it doesn't look difficult. there are so many boats for sale out there that there should be something within your budget that doesn't need this kind of work. Nevertheless, it really is just a cosmetic fix. Your estimate sounds a little low in materials and labor, but not by an order of magnitude. The hull sides can be covered with something like an outdoor carpet material: very close nap, water resistant. That's what was on my Oday. No insulation; just glued to the glass. Make some brown paper templates, figure out how much you need and go to Lowe's or Home Depot and find something neutrally colored. Cut according to the templates, and glue it down. The headliner could be covered with plastic beadboard or formica. I can't tell from the pictures if there are furring strips already glued to the "ceiling", but it would be no big deal to epoxy 1x1/2 inch strips to the underside there, and then screw the beadboard or formica to the strips. Cover the seams with moulding, and Bob's your uncle.
There are furring strips on the ceiling, and there are some along the top of the hull. You can't see it in the pictures but they're all about 1" away from the hull. So I think it was meant to have a bit of a gap there for insulating, or at least to prevent condensation on anything that touched the walls. The problem with that is that most of the interior wood has a 1" gap in there, so I can't glue directly to the hull without a gap showing everywhere.

I'm really torn on this boat. It's cheap, but it's not THAT cheap, and it's not exactly what I want, which would be a Perry Islander 28 to 34. The problem is trying to find one of those under $10,000.
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Was this boat sunk? Looks like mold on the wood. I did our cabin in horizontal cherry stripes screwed to vertical battens epoxied to the hull. Got a planer and bandsaw? No? Then use either car trunk liner carpet or a tight weave outdoor carpet held on with carpet adhesive.
They say it has never had water in the cabin. It sounds to me like the previous owner before them had a few leaks and he redid the whole deck to get rid of them all. The white spots aren't as bad in person as in the pictures, but it's definitely some mold that will have to be cleaned, probably refinished. This is the PNW, so it gets really damp inside. I think at the very least they didn't have enough dehumidifying going on, even if it never did get wet.
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Re: How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

The good news is that you can make it whatever you want.
-Avoid materials that will be affected by water.
-Design it so it's manageable to take apart if you need to.
-Perfect is the enemy of good enough. It's not structural.

Not sure you want to glue a covering to the hull... you might one day want access. I can't think of why, but you might (just my way of thinking).
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Re: How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

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If this is the wrong forum let me know and please move it.

So I'm looking at a new-to-me boat, an Ericson 28+ The thread for it is here.

One of the biggest problems is that the hull coverings and headliner are gone. They say they have all the old cloth pieces for templates, but how big of a job is this going to be?

I'm fairly mechanically inclined, actually I'm a welder/fabricator by trade. But wood and cloth are not my normal element. In my searches online it looks like it would be easiest to insulate it with foam sheets, then use either PVC sheets, or FRP sheets or even formica sheets to finish it off.

For all you guys that have done these types of jobs, is this something that can easily be done in a weekend or even a full day? How expensive is it likely to be?

I'm hoping that I can get by with a couple hundred dollars in materials, and then about 10 or 12 hours of labor, but maybe it's a lot more involved than what I'm thinking.
With your skills you should be able to accomplish it. Be careful with insulation as any leak will quickly destroy it.

All fasteners should try and not penetrate the gelcoat including the coach roof .

Whatever you use know it will flex somewhat. I think some PVC with wooden trim across them through the cabin would be a nice look. For the V same or even wooden tongue and grove slats would pretty it up. Whatever you use make sure it’s easily cleanable


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Re: How big of a job is it to replace hull and headliner?

I've not done a boat, but I did the headliner in a small 4 seat airplane 20+ years ago. It was a great sense of satisfaction, once done. It was also a physically contorted, stressful, difficult job, that I wished I could grow another arm to do. It was the kind of job the pros make look easy, but took me 10 times longer.


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