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pagansdad 12-04-2007 05:10 PM

Question similar to the "Long Distance Small Boat Sailing", guy
 
The guy asking for boat advise for his Alaska trip got so much great info from you experienced folks that I am gonna try for the same.

Here is the scenario. I sail in the coastal sounds and rivers in the Beaufort, SC area. We have 8' tides or there about so some fairly brisk currents. Lots of sandbars that like to move around without letting me know about it. Nice beaches to pull up onto. Not too often, but occasionally, storms that blow up quickly. I have lots of experience in small power boats but only one summers worth sailing. I bought a West Wight Potter 15 and am looking forward to spending much more time on the water with no engine noise to spoil it. I LOVE my Potter but she is just a bit cramped with my wife and daughter aboard.

************* I am looking for the perfect boat! *****************

I think that with the number of times I have bumped across sand bars and oyster rakes I need a swing keel, plus there are those beaches. I haven't spent the night on board yet but sure look forward to it, so a reasonably comfy cabin would be nice. I worry I do, about tipping over in cold water and not being able to right, so stable as a keel boat, (without the keel) is on the want list. As I said I am fairly new to the sails and sheets part and I do like to go out alone so something that can be single handed by a not "old salt". I hope to do more than day sail when I have the right boat so room and facilities for a few days aboard. Last but not least - Character! So many of the boats I see on the water look to me like the marine equivalent of bland modern day architecture. My Potter has character. Marshall cat boats have character. In my admittedly very unseasoned opinion the perfect boat would be a Flicka with a swing keel and the same stability.

I know, I know there ain't no such boat but I suspect I will get closer to what I am looking for quicker if I can benefit from the experience of the folks I see posting here.

Oh, the money part. I don't know exactly. I will be selling an old Airstream camper, a Gravely mower, a double wide trailer, maybe another camper and maybe even my beloved Potter so I guess I will have a few thousand to spend. My wife even claims to love me enough to pitch in a bit if needed.

To recap:
Little boat with a big heart.
Bigger on the inside than on the outside.
Stable enough to compensate for my boo boos and to get me through the storm I will someday get caught in.
Easy for a sort of newbie to single hand.
Swing keel.
Self bailing.
Trailerable but roomy enough to spend a few days on with a wife and a teenage daughter.
Lines that make her look like she belongs on the water, that make you smile when you see her.

I repeat, I know the boat I want doesn't exist. I hope for some of your opinions to help me sort through all the choices out there.

Thanks to all,
Charlie and Isa and Bu

kwaltersmi 12-04-2007 05:16 PM

Seaward RK series from Hake Yachts. Super shallow draft, roomy inside and trailerable. These are fairly well-made boats that have character and a more traditional look.

TSteele65 12-04-2007 06:31 PM

It doesn't have a swing keel, but a Stone Horse would otherwise fit the bill. They have a full keel, but only draw about 4 ft.


http://www.atomvoyages.com/images/St...Sail01kb28.jpg

pagansdad 12-04-2007 06:38 PM

"Life is too short to sail ugly boats."
I love it. Perfectly phrased.
Thanks for the input.
Is that a Stone Horse in the photo? It is beautiful.
Charlie

sailingdog 12-04-2007 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pagansdad (Post 232764)
I think that with the number of times I have bumped across sand bars and oyster rakes I need a swing keel, plus there are those beaches. I haven't spent the night on board yet but sure look forward to it, so a reasonably comfy cabin would be nice. I worry I do, about tipping over in cold water and not being able to right, so stable as a keel boat, (without the keel) is on the want list. As I said I am fairly new to the sails and sheets part and I do like to go out alone so something that can be single handed by a not "old salt". I hope to do more than day sail when I have the right boat so room and facilities for a few days aboard. Last but not least - Character! So many of the boats I see on the water look to me like the marine equivalent of bland modern day architecture. My Potter has character. Marshall cat boats have character. In my admittedly very unseasoned opinion the perfect boat would be a Flicka with a swing keel and the same stability.

I know, I know there ain't no such boat but I suspect I will get closer to what I am looking for quicker if I can benefit from the experience of the folks I see posting here.

Oh, the money part. I don't know exactly. I will be selling an old Airstream camper, a Gravely mower, a double wide trailer, maybe another camper and maybe even my beloved Potter so I guess I will have a few thousand to spend. My wife even claims to love me enough to pitch in a bit if needed.

To recap:
Little boat with a big heart.
Bigger on the inside than on the outside.
Stable enough to compensate for my boo boos and to get me through the storm I will someday get caught in.
Easy for a sort of newbie to single hand.
Swing keel.
Self bailing.
Trailerable but roomy enough to spend a few days on with a wife and a teenage daughter.
Lines that make her look like she belongs on the water, that make you smile when you see her.

I repeat, I know the boat I want doesn't exist. I hope for some of your opinions to help me sort through all the choices out there.

Thanks to all,
Charlie and Isa and Bu

Flickas and Westerly Nomads are both small boats with a lot of capability, but neither is really trailerable.

My boat would probably qualify... it is 28' and highly trailerable, has a centerboard and only a 15" draft when the board is up. It is very stable and can deal with fairly heavy conditions with ease. It isn't self-bailing, but then few boats are... but it is close to unsinkable. It is relatively easy to single hand. Unfortunately, it isn't bigger on the inside than on the outside...for good reason—it is 18' wide when rigged for sailing. :D

However, her sister ships are probably out of your price range. :(

You might want to look here, since they have a few for very good prices.

http://dankim.com/files/tc07086.jpg




pagansdad 12-04-2007 07:07 PM

Sailingdog,
I was hoping to get a response from you as you seem to have a wealth of info and experience at hand. I am a little curious about multi hulls but don't know what I think about them yet. I can see that you would have a lot of room available. A big must however for the perfect boat at present is trailerability and reasonably quick set up. Got any more ideas?
Thanks,
Charlie

sailingdog 12-04-2007 07:18 PM

The Telstar 28 is sold as a trailerable trimaran and can be taken from sitting on the trailer to ready to sail in under forty minutes with two people, after having some experience doing it.

Multihulls are great boats, especially for gunkholing. I'd highly recommend you get Chris White's The Cruising Multihull and Thomas Firth Jones's Multihull Voyaging, if you have an interest in multihulls at all.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.




Faster 12-04-2007 07:20 PM

Hey, SD - nice to finally get a look at your boat!

sailingdog 12-04-2007 07:30 PM

:D I like her a lot... :D The blue thing hanging off the port shroud is the dinghy cover.




retclt 12-04-2007 07:56 PM

I bet Giu can make some suggested modifications to the picture. Can't wait.

Ahhhh, a rare topic where I can contribute something useful. Stay tuned . . . . . . . in a couple of hours, when I get to my home base WITHOUT the firewall I'll attempt my first post of pictures. Our 6'1" headroom microcruiser.

Pagansdad, If you go "New" the Seaward 25 suggestion from Kwaltersmi is a really good one. Well built, solid, and stable for a small boat. 2.5 draft with a fixed keel.

If you go used I'd say the Chrysler 26 is a good choice. Mine has 6'1" headroom with a head you can close the door on . . . still standing up. I'll attempt pictures when I get home.


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