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Ok guys, I am out of here. No, I am not pissed, I am going to Valencia to have a look at the boats and the ambiance. I will be there for the next race... with a bit of luck.



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Ok guys, I am out of here. No, I am not pissed, I am going to Valencia to have a look at the boats and the ambiance. I will be there for the next race... with a bit of luck.
Have fun and take pics (...please)!

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Wow, good for you. Enjoy.

There's always a way around the nationality requirements. Sailors move around for jobs, lofts open branches in the country wanting their sails. I do wish there were more Americans on Oracle, but I love watching her go.
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I love watching any sailing race...especially where the boats are evenly matched so that you get to see and debate the tactics...read the wind sifts...see which side of the course has more...crossovers...covering tacks...blanketing a sail.

This all started with the infamous catamaran vs monohull Americas Cups race which was so boring. It has become merely an expensive design drag race about technology. That is interesting if boats are equal.

They should do what NASCAR does. Put more design rules in, so everyone basically has the same equipment with small modifications. Even the race where the Aussies had the winged keel (Austrailia II) vs Conners (Freedom ) where it was obvious the innovative keel gave them a huge advantage the races were close and the series was 4-3. Conners skill and tactics was what made it close. he jumped a few starts and covered in tacking duels the whole race to win ( much simplfied).

I want to see skill and tactics....not necessarily technology and money invested


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I agree

And don't forget about who throws the most money at it. Lets get something that resembles a real life boat, that the common man can associate with, and sailors who actually have to sail the boat, trim the sails, and all the other things associated with a every day sailboat.

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I watched the race last night and was bored to tears. The Volvo and Vendee races have it right by putting cameras on the boats to increase spectator interest. But then again, the AC doesn't really care about anyone but their sponsors. This whole race has been so low key that there was virtually nothing on the America's Cup web site until a day or so ago. They didn't even have a video of the race!

AC has gone way downhill since the 80's. I have no problem with the technical innovation, catamarans, or cost. But there just seems to be no attention paid to the media - I saw a video of the opening of the AC "media center" - a few folding tables in a room and maybe 10 guys with cameras. Ha!

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I watched the race last night and was bored to tears. The Volvo and Vendee races have it right by putting cameras on the boats to increase spectator interest. But then again, the AC doesn't really care about anyone but their sponsors. This whole race has been so low key that there was virtually nothing on the America's Cup web site until a day or so ago. They didn't even have a video of the race!

AC has gone way downhill since the 80's. I have no problem with the technical innovation, catamarans, or cost. But there just seems to be no attention paid to the media - I saw a video of the opening of the AC "media center" - a few folding tables in a room and maybe 10 guys with cameras. Ha!
Apparently, the Alinghi camp refused to allow camera on their boat, so of course, BMW Oracle said that they wouldn't do it either, if Alinghi wouldn't do it. I agree...much more exciting with cameras on board.

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I think that the 1st race itself ended up quite boring - two boats up the course 20 miles to the weather mark then downhill riun to the finish. I never watched the 2nd race.

But the technology is something to see and the boats are marvels of sailing tech at its best. Going to weather at boat speeds greater than true windspeed is one thing but where else would one see a boat going downwind at 25 knots with 12 knots or less of true windspeed? Awesome stuff from that perspective.

Also, did anyone notice the backpack that James Spithill was wearing while he helmed? Apparently that contained computer wizardry that gave him a heads-up display of all the vital stats of the race in his sunglasses. There was a huge amount of really high-end technology at play in the race.

Another stat that shook me was that the Oracle tri at 90ft long and 70 ft wide weighed just 8 tons, 4 tons less than my 44 foot cruising boat. You have to give the designers points for that!

I heard on a radio station a comment allegedly made by Larry Ellison and later by Sir Russel Coutts that they planned on taking the AC back to the earlier format (synidcates competing in a pre-cup regatta) and maybe even capping expenditure on a campaign to bring it back to basics. After all, the world match racing champs that we watched in Auckland Harbour a couple of years ago was raced in boats that even I could afford.


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The BMW Oracle 90 is 90' x 90'... not 90' x 70'. The sucker has a square footprint.

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I think that the 1st race itself ended up quite boring - two boats up the course 20 miles to the weather mark then downhill riun to the finish. I never watched the 2nd race.

But the technology is something to see and the boats are marvels of sailing tech at its best. Going to weather at boat speeds greater than true windspeed is one thing but where else would one see a boat going downwind at 25 knots with 12 knots or less of true windspeed? Awesome stuff from that perspective.

Also, did anyone notice the backpack that James Spithill was wearing while he helmed? Apparently that contained computer wizardry that gave him a heads-up display of all the vital stats of the race in his sunglasses. There was a huge amount of really high-end technology at play in the race.

Another stat that shook me was that the Oracle tri at 90ft long and 70 ft wide weighed just 8 tons, 4 tons less than my 44 foot cruising boat. You have to give the designers points for that!

I heard on a radio station a comment allegedly made by Larry Ellison and later by Sir Russel Coutts that they planned on taking the AC back to the earlier format (synidcates competing in a pre-cup regatta) and maybe even capping expenditure on a campaign to bring it back to basics. After all, the world match racing champs that we watched in Auckland Harbour a couple of years ago was raced in boats that even I could afford.



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If you want to see sailors race against sailors then you need a strict one design class such as the J24. Sails are measured boats are measured and weighed and tested for balance. Very tight. Even at the Worlds level you will see fleets with a spread of 10%.
There is also the Congressional Cup out of Long beach Yacht Club where the club owns all of the boats and sails and there are no electronics.
The America's Cup was never intended to be a strict one design class. It is the ultimate developmental class with only lwl and draft as the limits. This kind of class is where a lot of sailing technological development comes from. If the rules say you can only race one kind of boat then you will only have one kind of boat.
The rtw race boats are way cool but are not the ultimate speed machines pushing the limits of technology. They have to make it all the way around without breaking. I don't think a F1 car would be any good for a trip to the grocery store much less as a rally car. Horses for courses.
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