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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Comparing a pirate flag to a Swastika is non-sense. The swastika still has symbolic meaning today, and is still used in some circles. a pirate flag does not carry the same depth of meaning, as no current pirate fly the jolly roger. The jolly roger has a greater association with Disney than with current piracy.
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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Good post Dave.

The "Pirate Flags" mean nothing beyond a simple 'even if I don't know you, swing by and introduce yourself, I'm bound to offer you a cold one'.

Everyone should have a pretty clear understanding that when you pull into an anchorage you are not going to fire cannons, pillage, or anything else that might risk spilling your cocktail. The silly "SURRENDER THE BOOTY" or "PREPARE TO BE BOARDED" or "TIME FLIES WHEN YOU ARE HAVING RUM" have absolutely nothing to do with piracy, historical, modern, or in your imagination. It's a flipping joke.

You want to preach history based on West Marine end of isle nylon junk marketed to make one giggle? Really history? Slave ships have sailed under the US Ensign. Some pirates/privateers operated with impunity from multiple governments. Navy recruiters lied to get young men sign themselves into indentured servitude, it went on for hundreds of years and has nothing to do with anything on this thread.

You want to say they are lame because they are immature or a bad investment or you hope Walt Disney's frozen head cracks, fine. The fact that you read a book and now get to educate the masses on how pirates did bad things to their fellow man and assume those who buy cheap nylon flags are ignorant or slept through world history is just plain silly.

Anyone who thinks that flying a pirate flag is making some sort of political or historical statement is, well, is lame. Lame, lame, lame.

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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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There are now more people of Norwegian extraction in Minnesota than in Norway. Neither is particularly proud of their history of rampaging vikings, although they are rightly proud of the exploration and seamanship of those same people.

Christopher Columbus and Captain Cook are similar historical figures and should be considered in the context of their time. Still neither would be considered good dinner company today.

You can't change history.

Piracy on the other hand continues to this date and not only on Wall Street. While international enforcement has reduced the risk near the Horn of Africa it continues to the North and East of that area and along the Caribbean coasts of South and Central America. Much of Southeast Asia continues to suffer from piracy.

You need not look into the distant past to find examples of terrible actions by pirates. The death of the owners and their guests on S/V Quest is only the most well known of recent events.

Which leads me to the conclusion that people who fly pirate flags simply don't think at all about the message they send to those who do pay attention to world events.

You and everyone else have every right to fly a pirate flag and to do all manner of other lame things. Others like me who consider it to be lame have every right to judge you and treat you accordingly. You demonstrate that you don't care about the people who suffered and died at the hands of pirates, and who suffer and die today. I agree with the analogy offered above with Nazi flag. Flying one of those would be similarly lame.

But those who raise their voices in support of "it's all in fun" don't want to think about those realities. They have blindly selected the answer they want to be true and care not for inconvenient truths.
When you played cops and robbers as a kid, you where always the cop. Admit it. Sitting there making the other kids listen to the miranda speech. Not shooting back at them with your cap gun. Taking them all in alive. Letting them wait for their lawyer before questioning them. Could anyone just fake a gut shot and go in for dinner on time?

Let's not get started on the Cowboys and Indians thing.

Or the snow ball fights.

C'mon, laugh it off.

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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I look at it like this, you can always tell who the noob's are.

In the trucking business its the guy who has to play east bound and down over the CB Radio, in the Navy it's the guy who can't stop quoting Top Gun, and well in boating more often than not its the guy with the pirate flag.

If you want to fly a Jolly Rodger on your boat fine with me, but I am going to assume one of two things about you if you do, either you are a total noob, or you have watched wayyyyy too much Disney.
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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Picking on my ancestral family is lame...
Y'all are too serious...and several of my favorite Sailnet members too, Rob and SV...
If any "Lame Pirate Flag Flyer" saw a real Pirate...they would need the flag to wipe...
Personally I like the "cocktail flag" Cheers!
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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Well, OK I admit, we do have cannons and guns on our boat and shoot freely into the air or randomly at others in the boat. A little water is refreshing on a hot day.

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Well, OK I admit, we do have cannons and guns on our boat and shoot freely into the air or randomly at others in the boat. A little water is refreshing on a hot day.
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Picking on my ancestral family is lame...
Y'all are too serious...and several of my favorite Sailnet members too, Rob and SV...
If any "Lame Pirate Flag Flyer" saw a real Pirate...they would need the flag to wipe...
Personally I like the "cocktail flag" Cheers!
A pirate flag is a cocktail flag in a funny hat. irate raft: irate raft: irate raft:
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Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

This topic is just not all that deep. Way too much philosophical prose.

Most find the flag lame. That's really all the OP asked.
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If any "Lame Pirate Flag Flyer" saw a real Pirate...they would need the flag to wipe...
My vote for best post in this thread.
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