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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

We sailed a tiller 36.7 from the UK to the Med, and then 2500 miles around it last year.There are so many cruising boats in the Med loaded to the gunwhales with so called cruising stuff, but really you don't need it. You need a simple lightweight boat with a big easily reefed rig, 60M of chain and a good anchor winch. A First 36.7 does the job very well. At night when the wind drops to maybe 7kn we could still see 6, we had a good fridge, we had a small pv panel over the companionway hatch and we swam every day.
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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

A good friend and customer has one and I can run down what they like and the what could be better list. It is a really fun boat and what I consider a great value. They run a 110 dacron for cruising but also have a couple full set of exotic race sails.... We cruised with them for almost two weeks this summer so spent a lot of time listening to the likes & could be better's.

Keep in mind their primary purchase decision for this boat was a OD or PHRF boat to race, that could also be cruised. They accept the compromises and much of the could be better points are already being addressed..

Likes:
Great sailing boat with great sail control
Harken MK-IV furler
Lazy Jacks (a recently added must-do)
Layout down below
Good sized cockpit
Draft - Means really great pointing
Speed - great cruiser / racer
Light air performance
Traveler - One of the best main sheet trimming systems out there
Space - For a relatively narrow beam boat a great use of space
Speed, speed, speed...
Aesthetics - She's a nice looking boat in a contemporary way
Ventilation - Excellent ventilation with hatches & opening ports
Ultraleather interior cushions, with kids, makes for easy clean up
Synthetic "teak & holly" sole is very durable

Could Be Better:

Battery Capacity -required custom work to fit a cruising capacity
They do not fit in v-berth he is 6' 3"
Aft cabins are used for adults and v-berth for kids
Hull grid-liner makes keeping bilge dry a PITA
Head Access behind center-line table can be a pita if people are sitting to port.
Draft - The boat has too much draft to bring home in the winter something they had planned on. Requires an additional $800-$1000 to get it home in permits and a special trailer with pads tall enough.
Boom height - They are trying to add a dodger for cruising but it is not an easy option with the low boom height
Keel - the nearly vertical keel has been a pot buoy & weed catcher
Galley - while workable the wife wishes it to be just a bit bigger, especially oven (loves sink though)
Lack of a decent sized lazarette means the starboard aft cabin becomes the "garage"..
No lifeline gate - tough for a mooring sailed boat with launch service
Dinghy access off stern/stern ladder a PITA for the kids
Emergency tiller access is a continual tripping hazard behind the wheel
Tim rubs his head on backstay (adjuster) when standing at wheel
Only 14 DC breakers he wishes he had room for expansion
Holding tank is very small and pick up tube broke off on delivery trip from Nova Scotia making pump out impossible.
Anchor handling / bow roller, as in non-existent.
Storage - on the very light side
Leaks - A few pesky leaks that have not been identified or found yet


I also work on a C&C 110 and find find them pretty comparable boats to the 36.7 with a bit better cruising edge.. The C&C has a better fit & finish, more robust build, more storage, similar hardware a larger galley and bigger aft cabin. It also has an aft head. The C&C 110 I find is a NOISY boat at anchor with hull slap that drives me bonkers just working on her. She is very "echoey" but certainly not to the level of a race boat like the Sydney 38.. The C&C uses 93 Series Mareon seacocks and the cheap ball valve on a thru-hull Beneteau seacocks you could not pay me to have on my own vessel. The C&C also has a better executed electrical system with over 20 DC breakers and at least 6AC breakers. Both boats have Volvo's (really a Perkins/Shibaura) which is a negative for a lot of sailors...
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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

As mentioned we've spent quite a bit of time on a 36.7, and I would agree mostly with MS's assessment above, esp for cruising. It's a shame the tiller version is not available more in North America.. it avoids the clutter and backstay interference issue mentioned above, and also with the optional cockpit 'deck boxes' that fill the "T" cockpit spaces (for the wheel) deck storage is much improved and the lack of a real lazarette less of an issue - although the one we were on did have a pretty good, deep lazarette aft of the stbd aft cabin.. enough to stow an 8 HP outboard vertically along with several fenders.

The plumb bow has presented the biggest difficulty anchoring - or more truthfully - retrieving the anchor. Given that they often do this in tradewind conditions they have to be pretty adept and quick once the anchor breaks the surface to avoid dragging it up the stem itself. They do not use a windlass - which would likely be too slow in any event. They keep some sternway on to keep the anchor somewhat away from the boat during the pickup. They also work very hard to anchor in 7M or less depths...

Agree that accessing the head can be difficult, and despite the 'open transom' the (normally bolted down) stern seat gets in the way for climbing in and out of dinghies. C&C's 'swingaway' stern seat makes more sense. I'm not a big fan of Beneteau's 'Lego' pattern nonskid, esp if spending time barefoot.

Have sailed a bit on the C&C 110 and 115 and found the 36.7 a tad quicker to get up to speed esp. on a beat, but both are spirited performers.
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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

I used to teach on one, and have raced a couple. Great light air boat.

Agree with MS and Faster.

Some additional concerns.

The mid-cockpit traveler left several bruises on my shins - I must be a slow learner.

The shelf storage is poor. The locker door serves as the shelf edge, stuff falls off the windward side when you open the storage shelf.

Boarding is a PITA. Huge wheel gets in the way when boarding from the stern. High freeboard hard on my old knees when boarding from dockside.

Have also some a C&C. It is more comfortable, but the galley sink is a huge disaster - why is it not divided into two sinks.

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.....C&C. It is more comfortable, but the galley sink is a huge disaster - why is it not divided into two sinks.
Yeah - that one amazes me too.. it would take 1/3 of my water tank to fill that sink.. crazy and unnecessary.

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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

Two comments. There is a shoal draft version but it's rare. Second, there were two interiors offered - one with a large aft berth and another with two small equal sized aft berths. The first was popular in the US and the second in Europe.

I considered the 36.7 when I was looking for a mid 30-foot performance cruiser. If I had come across a shoal draft version at the right price I might have bought it.

The J109 is another (pricier) competitor to the 36.7.
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Re: Beneteau First 367 for Coastal Cruising

Hey,

As I was reading MS's review I was thinking how that compares to my C&C 110. Then I chuckled when he did the comparison for me.

The C&C has a great rear swim / boarding platform that makes getting onboard from a dinghy easy. The 36.7 requires you to climb up the transom and step over the seat. Not easy to do and very difficult to get gear aboard. The 36.7 with the two aft cabins seems silly to me. Both cabins are too small to be really useful, unless you have two people who insist on their own cabin. I cruise my 110 for a few days with 4 guys and everyone gets their own berth (but not a cabin) and no one complains about a lack of privacy (how much privacy can you expect on a 36' boat anyway?).

The galley in my boat has a double sink (and hot + cold water, 2 burner propane stove and oven, large refrigerator that runs on 12VDC). I have enough storage, etc.

I think 'cruising' for a week or two would be fine but I don't think it's the right boat for living aboard full time.

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Hey,

As I was reading MS's review I was thinking how that compares to my C&C 110. Then I chuckled when he did the comparison for me.

The C&C has a great rear swim / boarding platform that makes getting onboard from a dinghy easy. The 36.7 requires you to climb up the transom and step over the seat. Not easy to do and very difficult to get gear aboard. The 36.7 with the two aft cabins seems silly to me. Both cabins are too small to be really useful, unless you have two people who insist on their own cabin. I cruise my 110 for a few days with 4 guys and everyone gets their own berth (but not a cabin) and no one complains about a lack of privacy (how much privacy can you expect on a 36' boat anyway?).

The galley in my boat has a double sink (and hot + cold water, 2 burner propane stove and oven, large refrigerator that runs on 12VDC). I have enough storage, etc.

I think 'cruising' for a week or two would be fine but I don't think it's the right boat for living aboard full time.

Barry
And yet.. we know a young couple doing just that, they've lived aboard for years and recently moved up to a 110 from a 32 footer. They are quite happy with it.

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I think 'cruising' for a week or two would be fine but I don't think it's the right boat for living aboard full time.

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My C&C 110 customer cruises his pretty extensively as does my friend Bill who has a 36.7 as well as Tim who also cruises his 36.7 with a wife and two kids. It is surprisingly doable on the 110 & 36.7 with the typical idiosyncrasies you'll find on just about any boat.

I would not live on a 36 foot anything as a live aboard but that's just me.

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