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I resemble that remark. Perhaps as a former teacher I can get away with saying that 'those who can do, those ..."
KS - we share that heritage. I can, I do, I teach.

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Every current Hunter that is sold in South Africa is sailed there from the factory. Wonder what that makes those boats?
Interesting. I did a quick search of Hunters for sale IN South Africa and found none. Hunter has no dealer in South Africa that I can find. I did find two Hunters for sail, a 27 and 33, both imported from Europe.

Has me wondering as well.
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KS - we share that heritage. I can, I do, I teach.
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Oh and just as there were cars that were complete dogs (say like the edsel )
Actually, FWIW there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the Edsel - it was the same quality, reliability etc. as the other comparable cars of that era. It had a huge, powerful engine, easily the equal of the Lincoln and Cadillac engines of the day.

It got its "ultimate loser" rep. from an unfortunate series of judgement errors that interfaced with an economic downturn.

The first problem was that both Ford and Mercury models filled the same market slot so, at best, it would have merely diluted their sales. (Brand loyalty was VERY big then). It simply wasn't different enough.

The second problem was that stupid, ugly nose - "A Mercury sucking a lemon" in the words of the day.

The third was the name - "Edsel" just wasn't in the same league as "Dynamic", "Impala", "Turnpike Cruiser", "Bonneville" that were then in vogue.

Last was the economy - there was a pretty bad slump in '58 and sales dropped off badly.

Other than that, it was a pretty good car.

By the way, you can thank Robert MacNamara for it - he was President of Ford then. With a father like that, I guess it was doomed to fail.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Sorry old dude, Bob didn't take the top job in the glass house until 1960, long after the edsel started sucking lemons.

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Enough with the ugly car, already.... this thread's gonna have to move to OT if it keeps up!!

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So any Pacer or Pinto, gremlin boats out there?
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or maybe proven or tested

Or sailed by highly competent sailors with years and many miles of offshore experience...


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Hey,

IMHO, once a boat is 10 or 15 or 20 years old the maintenance is WAY more important than the builder or design. I would rather sail a 20 year old hunter with new sails, rigging, and other critical items than a 20 year old Valiant or West Sail with all original gear (and they are out there).

Additionally, luck has a large component on any serious off shore trip. You can sail from NY to England and get lucky with good weather. In that case, a moderately sized 'production' boat would have a fine journey. Or could be on a large Swam and get the cr*p kicked out of you with by a series of storms. In that case the boat won't determine how comfortable the trip will be, the weather does.

Finally, buy a boat that serves YOUR intended use. If you plan on coastal cruising, a production type boat, even ones from Hunter etc. would be a good choice. If you plan on crossing oceans, then other boats are more appropriate. Just because your boat can handle a really bad storm doesn't mean that YOU want to be in the same storm.

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So any Pacer or Pinto, gremlin boats out there?
Guess it's an internet thing, to expect quick and simple answers to such a complex subject...

And, definitely an American thing, to place such an emphasis on brands...

If all you want is an answer, well - keep asking... However, if you want to gain some understanding of the subject at hand, educate yourself...

Here's a good place to start:

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