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It might be instructive to find out what the marine insurance companies have to say about the insurability of engineless cruising sailboats. Perhaps their actuarial data can quantify the risks of going engineless.
Interesting question, any Insurance experts out there? Location may be a factor, out on the open ocean where it is not too crowded might be acceptable. It is possible that most boats worth insuring, or required to be insured because of a loan, are probably big enough to have an engine, with some exceptions of course, that being where an engine has been removed and not replaced.

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Many sail boats can become engineless if their dink has an outboard engine. Use the dink as a tug in tight places. Is will work....

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I greatly look forward to being uninsured out there.

Completely uninsured...
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Completely uninsured? Not even liability insurance? What happens if you drag anchor some night and bang up another boat?
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I greatly look forward to being uninsured out there.
You might want to rethink that statement. Or do you have enough of the ready to cover any accident where you might be at fault?

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Chris,

Being uninsured would really be foolish on your part. Just because you are uninsured doesn't mean that you are not liable for damages caused by your boat--even accidental damages. And, in some foreign ports you would end up in jail and your boat confiscated. Spending a couple years in a foreign jail is not like being jailed in the U.S. country club jails.

You may wish to look closer at the insurance issue and reevaluate your decision.

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A boring but interesting aside .... we don't often pull into marinas but last month when passing through Newcastle NSW we had no choice as Newcastle harbour does not have an anchorage. Marina insisted on seeing our insurance cover for public liability.

(actually that is untrue. More that I didn't think there was an anchorage but apparently there is although supposedly hellishly incomfortable.)

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I was just messing around, my boat's too nice to be uninsured.. (until she gets a patina on her at least...).

However... there is a commentary that could be discussed in another thread somewhere about the fact that it's just so totally unthinkable to even consider total freedom - from insurance companies, oil companies and a host of other institutionalized shackles that we will happily wear around our ankles until the day we die.

Prolly not good to talk about in the general section though...

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I was just messing around, my boat's too nice to be uninsured.. (until she gets a patina on her at least...).

However... there is a commentary that could be discussed in another thread somewhere about the fact that it's just so totally unthinkable to even consider total freedom - from insurance companies, oil companies and a host of other institutionalized shackles that we will happily wear around our ankles until the day we die.

Prolly not good to talk about in the general section though...
Let's add to the list those pesky farmers who have gone and got us addicted to Good quality affordable food, tech companies that have got us addicted to the Internet and other forms of low cost communication etc.

The notion that oil companies have enslaved us by reducing the cost of energy in real terms for most of 150+ years as part of some evil plot is just as ridiculous. Without the energy they provide, billions of the world's population would have starved or never been born. If we shut down the oil industry tomorrow, billions would certainly starve because agriculture would fall apart.

Perhaps you could tell me which billion you would choose to starve in order to allow you to shake off the shackles of oppression.

Sorry, chrisncate, this is not aimed at you personally as I know your comment was intended as tongue in cheek. But yours was just the latest example of this pervasive attitude that it is ok to bash the oil companies with cheap shots because it as a victimless crime..........
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However... there is a commentary that could be discussed in another thread somewhere about the fact that it's just so totally unthinkable to even consider total freedom - from insurance companies, oil companies and a host of other institutionalized shackles that we will happily wear around our ankles until the day we die.
It's commonly called The Stone Age.

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