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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

Though the 51 Formosa is indeed a lovely boat to behold, in reality it is a motorsailor. They are mediocre sea boats, and though most are really beautiful below, I don't think they'd make very good cruising boats. They would be a fantastic liveaboard at the dock, with a few cruises during the year around your local area.

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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

Tolkien slam incoming.....

"Eärendil was a mariner
that tarried in Arvernien;
he built a boat of timber felled
in Nimbrethil to journey in;
her sails he wove of silver fair,
of silver were her lanterns made,
her prow was fashioned like a swan,
and light upon her banners laid.

In panoply of ancient kings,
in chainéd rings he armoured him;
his shining shield was scored with runes
to ward all wounds and harm from him;
his bow was made of dragon-horn,
his arrows shorn of ebony;
of silver was his habergeon,
his scabbard of chalcedony;
his sword of steel was valiant,
of adamant his helmet tall,
an eagle-plume upon his crest,
upon his breast an emerald.

Beneath the Moon and under star
he wandered far from northern strands,
bewildered on enchanted ways
beyond the days of mortal lands.
From gnashing of the Narrow Ice
where shadow lies on frozen hills,
from nether heats and burning waste
he turned in haste, and roving still
on starless waters far astray
at last he came to Night of Naught,
and passed, and never sight he saw
of shining shore nor light he sought.
The winds of wrath came driving him,
and blindly in the foam he fled
from west to east and errandless,
unheralded he homeward sped.

There flying Elwing came to him,
and flame was in the darkness lit;
more bright than light of diamond
the fire upon her carcanet.
The Silmaril she bound on him
and crowned him with the living light
and dauntless then with burning brow
he turned his prow; and in the night
from Otherworld beyond the Sea
there strong and free a storm arose,
a wind of power in Tarmenel;
by paths that seldom mortal goes
his boat it bore with biting breath
as might of death across the grey
and long forsaken seas distressed;
from east to west he passed away.

Through Evernight he back was borne
on black and roaring waves that ran
o'er leagues unlit and foundered shores
that drowned before the Days began,
until he heard on strands of pearl
where ends the world the music long,
where ever-foaming billows roll
the yellow gold and jewels wan.
He saw the Mountain silent rise
where twilight lies upon the knees
of Valinor, and Eldamar
beheld afar beyond the seas.
A wanderer escaped from night
to haven white he came at last,
to Elvenhome the green and fair
where keen the air, where pale as glass
beneath the Hill of Ilmarin
a-glimmer in a valley sheer
the lamplit towers of Tirion
are mirrored on the Shadowmere.

He tarried there from errantry,
and melodies they taught to him,
and sages old him marvels told,
and harps of gold they brought to him.
They clothed him then in elven-white,
and seven lights before him sent,
as through the Calacirian
to hidden land forlorn he went.
He came unto the timeless halls
where shining fall the countless years,
and endless reigns the Elder King
in Ilmarin on Mountain sheer;
and words unheard were spoken then
of folk and Men and Elven-kin,
beyond the world were visions showed
forbid to those that dwell therein.

A ship then new they built for him
of mithril and of elven-glass
with shining prow; no shaven oar
nor sail she bore on silver mast:
the Silmaril as lantern light
and banner bright with living flame
to gleam thereon by Elbereth
herself was set, who thither came
and wings immortal made for him,
and laid on him undying doom,
to sail the shoreless skies and come
behind the Sun and light of Moon.

From Evereven's lofty hills
where softly silver fountains fall
his wings him bore, a wandering light,
beyond the mighty Mountain Wall.
From a World's End there he turned away,
and yearned again to find afar
his home through shadows journeying,
and burning as an island star
on high above the mists he came,
a distant flame before the Sun,
a wonder ere the waking dawn
where grey the Norland waters run.

And over Middle-earth he passed
and heard at last the weeping sore
of women and of elven-maids
in Elder Days, in years of yore.
But on him mighty doom was laid,
till Moon should fade, an orbéd star
to pass, and tarry never more
on Hither Shores where Mortals are;
for ever still a herald on
an errand that should never rest
to bear his shining lamp afar,
the Flammifer of Westernesse."
― The Fellowship of the Ring, Many Meetings



Wonderful name for a boat.

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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

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Though the 51 Formosa is indeed a lovely boat to behold, in reality it is a motorsailor. They are mediocre sea boats, and though most are really beautiful below, I don't think they'd make very good cruising boats. They would be a fantastic liveaboard at the dock, with a few cruises during the year around your local area.
This is from Ted, the former owner Earendil, the Formosa 51. I agree that Formosa 51's are not the best sailing vessels, in that --like most ketches--they do not point well and are heavy displacement. But I found Earendil to be sea-kindly and great sailing before the wind ("Gentlemen sail down wind"). We did quite a bit of SF Bay sailing and coastal sailing from SF Bay of Santa Cruz to the Channel Islands, the Farallones, and as far north as Fort Bragg. I would have had no concerns about taking the Earendil on a world cruise at the time we owned her. My expert sailing buddy (a Cape Horn veteran) won my heart when he first saw the boat and muttered to himself "intelligent rig". Worked for us.
 
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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

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Tolkien slam incoming.....

"Eärendil was a mariner
that tarried in Arvernien;
he built a boat of timber felled
in Nimbrethil to journey in;
her sails he wove of silver fair,
of silver were her lanterns made,
her prow was fashioned like a swan,
and light upon her banners laid.

In panoply of ancient kings,
in chainéd rings he armoured him;
his shining shield was scored with runes
to ward all wounds and harm from him;
his bow was made of dragon-horn,
his arrows shorn of ebony;
of silver was his habergeon,
his scabbard of chalcedony;
his sword of steel was valiant,
of adamant his helmet tall,
an eagle-plume upon his crest,
upon his breast an emerald.

Beneath the Moon and under star
he wandered far from northern strands,
bewildered on enchanted ways
beyond the days of mortal lands.
From gnashing of the Narrow Ice
where shadow lies on frozen hills,
from nether heats and burning waste
he turned in haste, and roving still
on starless waters far astray
at last he came to Night of Naught,
and passed, and never sight he saw
of shining shore nor light he sought.
The winds of wrath came driving him,
and blindly in the foam he fled
from west to east and errandless,
unheralded he homeward sped.

There flying Elwing came to him,
and flame was in the darkness lit;
more bright than light of diamond
the fire upon her carcanet.
The Silmaril she bound on him
and crowned him with the living light
and dauntless then with burning brow
he turned his prow; and in the night
from Otherworld beyond the Sea
there strong and free a storm arose,
a wind of power in Tarmenel;
by paths that seldom mortal goes
his boat it bore with biting breath
as might of death across the grey
and long forsaken seas distressed;
from east to west he passed away.

Through Evernight he back was borne
on black and roaring waves that ran
o'er leagues unlit and foundered shores
that drowned before the Days began,
until he heard on strands of pearl
where ends the world the music long,
where ever-foaming billows roll
the yellow gold and jewels wan.
He saw the Mountain silent rise
where twilight lies upon the knees
of Valinor, and Eldamar
beheld afar beyond the seas.
A wanderer escaped from night
to haven white he came at last,
to Elvenhome the green and fair
where keen the air, where pale as glass
beneath the Hill of Ilmarin
a-glimmer in a valley sheer
the lamplit towers of Tirion
are mirrored on the Shadowmere.

He tarried there from errantry,
and melodies they taught to him,
and sages old him marvels told,
and harps of gold they brought to him.
They clothed him then in elven-white,
and seven lights before him sent,
as through the Calacirian
to hidden land forlorn he went.
He came unto the timeless halls
where shining fall the countless years,
and endless reigns the Elder King
in Ilmarin on Mountain sheer;
and words unheard were spoken then
of folk and Men and Elven-kin,
beyond the world were visions showed
forbid to those that dwell therein.

A ship then new they built for him
of mithril and of elven-glass
with shining prow; no shaven oar
nor sail she bore on silver mast:
the Silmaril as lantern light
and banner bright with living flame
to gleam thereon by Elbereth
herself was set, who thither came
and wings immortal made for him,
and laid on him undying doom,
to sail the shoreless skies and come
behind the Sun and light of Moon.

From Evereven's lofty hills
where softly silver fountains fall
his wings him bore, a wandering light,
beyond the mighty Mountain Wall.
From a World's End there he turned away,
and yearned again to find afar
his home through shadows journeying,
and burning as an island star
on high above the mists he came,
a distant flame before the Sun,
a wonder ere the waking dawn
where grey the Norland waters run.

And over Middle-earth he passed
and heard at last the weeping sore
of women and of elven-maids
in Elder Days, in years of yore.
But on him mighty doom was laid,
till Moon should fade, an orbéd star
to pass, and tarry never more
on Hither Shores where Mortals are;
for ever still a herald on
an errand that should never rest
to bear his shining lamp afar,
the Flammifer of Westernesse."
― The Fellowship of the Ring, Many Meetings



Wonderful name for a boat.
Thanks for the reminder. The Tolkien poem from LoR had completely slipped my ageing brain. Great to read it again. Check out the Crist of Cynewulf. Ted--the former owner)
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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

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Though the 51 Formosa is indeed a lovely boat to behold, in reality it is a motorsailor. They are mediocre sea boats, and though most are really beautiful below, I don't think they'd make very good cruising boats. They would be a fantastic liveaboard at the dock, with a few cruises during the year around your local area.
and that is why you see so many out here cruising. hope you noted sarcasm font.

opinions are many, reality is that despite these many opinions, there are many of these actively cruising.
they were not designed to sail bays, but were designed to sail trade winds. before condemning them, do sail them in healthy trades. you will love em in breezes above 20 kts. even my 41 is heaven and at home at 60 kts wind. btdt, loved it.


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Earendil LOVED heavy seas and high winds. As West coast and SF Bay sailors, we had plenty. Fond memory------sailing dead down wind from the Farallones to Ano Nuevo--wing and wing, and wing and wing. Two main sails out, and a mizzen staysail and mizzen sail "wung" out as well. Doing 10-11 knots, absolutely flat, autopilot off, hands off the wheel. Leaving a friend to watch over things (he did nothing), while I went down to the galley and taught a young French friend how to make French onion soup. Hard to beat this. The soup was good, too
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Re: Best way to find a boat owner? (Poulsbo, WA)

yes they are one of the few boats one is able to comfortably cook while under way in a good breeze.

EXCELLENT long range heavy cruisers.


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I've seen her here in kingston chatted with the owner. I'll get back to you if/when she's still around.

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That would e great--
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