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Zanshin 11-03-2012 07:04 AM

Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
It has been a while since I've seen a thread like this - the rules are simple: attempt to identify the location of the last posted picture in the thread. Once the picture poster confirms the first correct responder that person then gets to add a (sailing-related) picture to the thread and the game continues.

Since I'm no good at this type of guesswork my only chance of getting a picture into the thread is by starting it off with the following picture:


lajimo 11-03-2012 07:20 AM

Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
New Orleans?

Zanshin 11-03-2012 07:27 AM

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lajimo - close, but not quite :). I'll give you a hint - both this place and New Orleans are located in the same hemisphere of the same planet.

knothead 11-03-2012 10:15 AM

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Galapagos Islands?

Zanshin 11-03-2012 10:31 AM

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Knothead - no, not (yet). But you are correct in that the picture was taken on an uninhabited island looking approximately west-northwest toward a larger inhabited island just barely visible in the top right of the picture.

SloopJonB 11-03-2012 02:00 PM

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The Hebrides or maybe the Faroes?

Zanshin 11-03-2012 02:14 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
The Galapagos are a bit closer, but still over 2000 miles away, so it isn't quite it. The temperatures are a lot warmer than in the Hebrides or Faroes and the sparse vegation is due to being on the leeward side of the island.

The whole island is a national park / nature preserve and there are some rare plants on the island. The bay in the picture is the only anchorage on the island and is quite protected.

Andrew Burton 11-03-2012 02:32 PM

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Cocos Island?

CalebD 11-03-2012 02:37 PM

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Kaho Olawe in the Hawaiian Islands?

PCP 11-03-2012 02:45 PM

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PCP 11-03-2012 02:56 PM

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Ok, Its Juan Fernandez Island, also known as Robinson Crusoe Island?




Brewgyver 11-03-2012 04:06 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Er, shouldn't be, he said it was uninhabited.

T37SOLARE 11-03-2012 05:06 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Ile Forchue west of St. Barts.

Faster 11-03-2012 06:20 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T37SOLARE (Post 942454)
Ile Forchue west of St. Barts.

I have a sneaky feeling you've got it, T....

jeffgauvin 11-03-2012 07:57 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Isla Espiritu Santo ?

scurvy 11-03-2012 09:18 PM

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Easter Island :)

fallard 11-03-2012 10:48 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
It's Ile Fourchue, NW of St. Barts, as T37SOLARE indicated. It looks a lot greener in this picture than I remember. St. Martin is the inhabited island to the north.

Zanshin 11-04-2012 01:40 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T37SOLARE (Post 942454)
Ile Forchue west of St. Barts.

T37 - You've got it, it is Île Fourchue (or Île Fourche) off St. Barths. The tip of St. Martin can be seen in the top right of the picture. And "Zanshin" is the sailboat at anchor in the middle of the bay.

The next picture is all yours!

T37SOLARE 11-04-2012 08:52 AM

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Here's a place that's a bit more populated

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...R/DSC_2864.jpg

PCP 11-04-2012 09:48 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
That's an interesting thread:)

Maybe I can purpose some rules?: The one that win and discover the place will have to continue the game posting another place to discover.

Leads should be provided related to guesses, right or wrong. Each post deserves an answer from the one that is leading the game...and that is T37 Solare now;).

Well, I would say that is on the med?




T37SOLARE 11-04-2012 10:11 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Well, I would say that is on the med?
Correct...

PCP 11-04-2012 10:16 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T37SOLARE (Post 942688)
Correct...

An Italian Island?




T37SOLARE 11-04-2012 10:23 AM

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Correct again.

PCP 11-04-2012 12:16 PM

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eh!eh! Ponza on the Island of Ponza;)




T37SOLARE 11-04-2012 12:28 PM

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:thewave:
Ding Ding Ding!

Your turn.

PCP 11-04-2012 12:37 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Ok, this place, where it is?

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...ga/Polux/a.jpg

It is very funny because I was anchored on that Island late September but on the other side and I did not had time to make a complete tour so I did not know the town:D

Tell me, do you know the place?, if so I have some questions for you.

Regards

Paulo




T37SOLARE 11-04-2012 12:42 PM

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We were only there for a day while we were on the Royal Clipper sailing from Venice to Rome, so I really cant say much about it other than the great seafood :)

Your pic looks like it might be Montenegro?

PCP 11-04-2012 12:45 PM

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no!




Zanshin 11-04-2012 02:36 PM

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Looks very much like tidal waters - so the Caribbean and the Med would be out.

PCP 11-04-2012 03:08 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
right!




Flybyknight 11-04-2012 03:21 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
SWAG:
Isle of Sheppy

PCP 11-04-2012 06:59 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybyknight (Post 942804)
SWAG:
Isle of Sheppy

Wrong. Guys, make more generic questions before closing in, otherwise you will not have the price:D

regards

Paulo




tdw 11-04-2012 07:48 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Ok ... Paulo .... you anchored there in September and it is not a Med island ? Were you chartering ?

andrew

PCP 11-04-2012 08:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tdw (Post 942922)
Ok ... Paulo .... you anchored there in September and it is not a Med island ? Were you chartering ?

andrew

Hummm! Where do you get that I anchored there in September? I said that I had anchored last Setember on the Island of Ponza, the one on the last photo that I have guessed, the one posted by T37Solare.

Ponza is situated at about 60Nm of Fumicino , near Rome on the coast, where I have my boat for the winter.

I guess that I can say that my boat is on the photo (on the second group the one nearer the beach) but it is the Bavaria, not the Comet.

More questions please:D

Regards

Paulo




Faster 11-04-2012 08:36 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Coastal Spain or France out of the Med?

PCP 11-04-2012 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Faster (Post 942962)
Coastal Spain or France out of the Med?

Atlantic coast of Spain.




PCP 11-04-2012 08:58 PM

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Maybe I should not have said coast of Spain but just Atlantic Spain;)




Faster 11-04-2012 09:45 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Baiona or nearby?

tdw 11-04-2012 10:15 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PCP (Post 942960)
Hummm! Where do you get that I anchored there in September? I said that I had anchored last Setember on the Island of Ponza, the one on the last photo that I have guessed, the one posted by T37Solare.

Ponza is situated at about 60Nm of Fumicino , near Rome on the coast, where I have my boat for the winter.

I guess that I can say that my boat is on the photo (on the second group the one nearer the beach) but it is the Bavaria, not the Comet.

More questions please:D

Regards

Paulo

Now look who is stupid. My mistake Paulo , I though you were referring to the pic you posted not the previous one.

A

chef2sail 11-05-2012 01:55 AM

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Menorca or Es Canutelles

PCP 11-05-2012 05:55 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Faster (Post 943019)
Baiona or nearby?

Baiona? no.

Nearby? yes.:D

Some other pictures, from the opposite side:

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y.../Vega/05-1.jpg

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...ga/00sas-1.jpg


Regards

Paulo




PCP 11-05-2012 05:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chef2sail (Post 943115)
Menorca or Es Canutelles

Not in the med chef. It is Atlantic Spain.

Regards

Paulo




PCP 11-05-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Come on Guys, how difficult can this be? Look at Google earth:

You have already guessed:

Atlantic Spain, near Baiona...and I have given a clue saying that it should not be said in the Atlantic coast of Spain, but more correctly on Atlantic Spain.




Faster 11-05-2012 09:58 AM

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OK... Playa de Rodas.. Ilas Cies Galecia Espana.... FINALLY found that distinctive little zig-zag pier

PCP 11-05-2012 10:22 AM

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Olé!!!!!:thewave::thewave:

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y.../Polux/hhh.jpg

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y.../Polux/nnn.jpg

It is your turn Faster bur first let me tell you all how great you are Guys:). Andrews and Geoff had already figured it out...but reading the name of the posted picture. You can see it when you quote. Instead of coming out with the right answer they send me a private message saying that they would not want to win cheating and asking me to remove the name of the place from the pic.

Cheers to them and to Faster.

Regards

Paulo




Faster 11-05-2012 10:26 AM

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Not so exotic... but somewhat unique....

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...45/file-11.jpg

PCP 11-05-2012 10:28 AM

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East coast of US?




floridajaxsailor 11-05-2012 10:33 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
locks along Oregon coast?
-JD

rugosa 11-05-2012 10:36 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Trenton, Ontario?

Faster 11-05-2012 10:43 AM

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No, no and no... but it is North America...

Zanshin 11-05-2012 10:51 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
I see a Canadian flag - does it count if I say "A lock in Canada"?

Faster 11-05-2012 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin (Post 943241)
I see a Canadian flag - does it count if I say "A lock in Canada"?

.. it gets you a lot closer!!..;)

PCP 11-05-2012 11:02 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
It is on the border Canada / Us on the Great lakes region?




Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:05 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
All three boats look like oceangoing ones and not (small) lake boats so I would hesitate to guess that those locks lead to/from the sea. Probably west coast, since the St. Lawrence goes so far inland and there are more boaties out west. There are power lines, so that cuts out about 90% of Canada (sorry, couldn't help that - plus I lived in Montreal for a long time).

Faster 11-05-2012 11:05 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PCP (Post 943256)
It is on the border Canada / Us on the Great lakes region?

No... as you can clearly see the boats are floating on their 'seawater' lines..;);)

Faster 11-05-2012 11:07 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin (Post 943261)
....... Probably west coast, since the St. Lawrence goes so far inland and there are more boaties out west. ......

I don't believe there are any locked canals in BC...

jrd22 11-05-2012 11:14 AM

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Canadian locks, eh? Has to be east coast or Great Lakes. Google E here I come.

Faster 11-05-2012 11:16 AM

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PCP 11-05-2012 11:17 AM

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You have been to vague. Just direct answers please;)

It is in US territory? (you said North America and Canada is North America too).




Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:18 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
So bounce back a couple of thousand miles to the east coast.

YooHoo - Google is my friend. I guessed that it might be Nova Scotia. Can it be the St. Peters Canal?

Faster 11-05-2012 11:18 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PCP (Post 943275)
You have been to vague. Just direct answers please;)

It is in US territory? (you said North America and Canada is North America too).

Paulo... you need to hit that 'refresh' button a bit more often....:p;) We've already established Canada, not west coast.

Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:19 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
I just saw your posted google maps excerpt and those double locks look like I might have been lucky...

Faster 11-05-2012 11:24 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin (Post 943278)
So bounce back a couple of thousand miles to the east coast.

YooHoo - Google is my friend. I guessed that it might be Nova Scotia. Can it be the St. Peters Canal?

Yes, Zanshin.. that's it. the southern entrance to Nova Scotia's Bras d'Or lakes, really a tidal salt water sea. The double locks you refer to are due to the possibility of either end of the canal being higher at any given time (because the 'lakes' are tidal fed from the northeastern entrance, which is not locked)

We stopped and watched this group go through and had a very pleasant chat with the lockkeeper this past summer.. btw - no canal fees either. We later saw that group at Baddeck on the lake.

You're up, Zanshin..

Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:31 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Is it just the Bay of Fundy with huge tides or are there significant differences in water level here as well?

Ok - here's an "artsy" picture

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/x...reAmI_Big2.jpg

Faster 11-05-2012 11:35 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin (Post 943289)
Is it just the Bay of Fundy with huge tides or are there significant differences in water level here as well?

Ok - here's an "artsy" picture

The tides in the Cape Breton area are much less extreme than the Bay of Fundy.

OK.. back in the Caribbean, I assume?.. the ships make me think St Eustatia...

PCP 11-05-2012 11:36 AM

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well, at least I learned there is a Portuguese Cove in Canada:D

An island?




Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:39 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Now Faster holds the record for the quickest solution, and I thought I hadn't made it that easy. The view is Fort Oranje on Statia (St. Eustatius) looking at Saba Island in the distance. The baton is now firmly in your hand, Faster.

Faster 11-05-2012 11:48 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
The tankers, and Saba's cloud obscured peak is what tipped it for me. Sorry about that!!

Here's an easy one for someone else..

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...nor08062-1.jpg

Zanshin 11-05-2012 11:55 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
I know what that is but would be cheating if I had to Google the keywords, plus I haven't been there (yet). I can see that we are going to have to delve deeper into the picture box for some more difficult subjects!

Faster 11-05-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin (Post 943311)
I know what that is but would be cheating if I had to Google the keywords, plus I haven't been there (yet). I can see that we are going to have to delve deeper into the picture box for some more difficult subjects!

Yes, probably... just trying to pass the baton. ... but 'difficult' is different places for different people, and there should be something about the pic that is uniquely identifying so that even a non local has a chance to guess/figure it out.

Also.. is one of the criteria for posting that it be your own photo?

Zanshin 11-05-2012 12:06 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Well, I didn't specify it but it should be one's own photo or at least of a place that one has been to and is somehow boating / sailing related. Let's see who gets this first and what the next picture is - I'm armed with Google Earth and a fast internet connection here at work and am ready to sleuth!

Picture Hint : Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum

tdw 11-05-2012 04:43 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Guys, think carefully about the need for it to be ones own pic and/or that you must have visited. We've had this type of thread before and inevitably it fizzled out because of those restrictions.

For mine, I think it would be best if the only limitation was that the pic be of a maritime location.

tdw 11-05-2012 05:02 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Ok, so its Wallilabou Bay, Barrouallie. St Vincent.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...um/4652951.jpg

Faster 11-05-2012 05:10 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tdw (Post 943479)
Ok, so its Wallilabou Bay, Barrouallie. St Vincent.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...um/4652951.jpg

It is, indeed.... carry on!

tdw 11-05-2012 05:47 PM

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PCP 11-05-2012 06:42 PM

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Not any clue on that photo, at least for me:(

Is the place in Australia?




Faster 11-05-2012 08:22 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
It kinda has more of a European look to me... Paulo, our intrepid wombat did spend some time on the Iberian peninsula a few years back, and I think he had a camera with him....;)

tdw 11-05-2012 08:30 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
We are indeed still on Iberian Peninsular and not in the Med.

Hint ....

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...IMG_0429-1.jpg

PCP 11-05-2012 08:38 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Galicia then I guess. Put really the picture shows very little. Can you post another picture even if it is taken from the net?

Regards

Paulo




tdw 11-05-2012 08:57 PM

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PCP 11-05-2012 09:46 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
San Sebastien?




tdw 11-05-2012 10:11 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PCP (Post 943615)
San Sebastien?

Yep.

Spot on .... one of my favourite places in Spain but it has to be out of season.

All yours mate.

PCP 11-05-2012 10:41 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
San Sebastien is great. Nice food as you seem to have noticed:D

A very easy one.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...o/Vega/b-1.jpg




tdw 11-06-2012 12:48 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Nice food indeed. For me Basque cuisine is very hard to beat.

As for this ... I'm thinking Adriatic ?

... yet the architecture looks Dutch or Germanic ....

tdw 11-06-2012 02:34 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Cheeky devil .... thats St Malo ...... :p

and the cutter is the replica of the famous privateer, Le Renard.

Saint bloody Malo indeed !!

and what is more it's Malö :D

PCP 11-06-2012 08:36 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tdw (Post 943712)
Cheeky devil .... thats St Malo ...... :p

and the cutter is the replica of the famous privateer, Le Renard.

Saint bloody Malo indeed !!

and what is more it's Malö :D

Jesus, that was fast:D..and you get the joke too...Saint.....Malo:D, like your boat. A city to visit;).

Yes indeed, it is the famous Corsair city and that boat is, as you say, Le Renard, a replica of the last Corsair ship, one that once defeated a much bigger English man of war, at the cost of half of its crew.

Saint Malo : le cotre corsaire, Le Renard, vieux gréements, bateau de Robert Surcouf

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Renard_(bateau)

I thought that it would be a French or Belgium member to be the first to answer but you have beat them:D

It is your turn.

Regards

Paulo




tdw 11-06-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Paulo,

I thought it a very witty choice, indeed a certain speedy moderator on this forum likes to refer to our boat as St Malo.

OK .... have a shot at this one. Clues available on request. :)

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb...4-1E7ABC75.jpg

Andrew B

Geoff54 11-06-2012 07:47 PM

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West Molle (Daydream) ?

tdw 11-06-2012 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff54 (Post 944103)
West Molle (Daydream) ?

Nope. Right continent though.

PCP 11-06-2012 09:23 PM

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A smart question for a straight answer:D

How many NM from Sydney?




tdw 11-06-2012 09:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PCP (Post 944147)
A smart question for a straight answer:D

How many NM from Sydney?

Gee whiz Paulo that would be a complete giveaway if I nailed it down that much but for now ... lets just say less than 100nm.

Geoff54 11-06-2012 10:31 PM

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I recon about 14 if you sailed it.

tdw 11-06-2012 10:55 PM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff54 (Post 944206)
I recon about 14 if you sailed it.

From our mooring it is 26.5 nms across the water ..... obviously Geoff you know the answer ....

Geoff54 11-07-2012 12:49 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tdw (Post 944222)
From our mooring it is 26.5 nms across the water ..... obviously Geoff you know the answer ....

I wasn't totally sure until now but I applied totally incorrect logic and came up with Lion Island.

tdw 11-07-2012 12:52 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff54 (Post 944299)
I wasn't totally sure until now but I applied totally incorrect logic and came up with Lion Island.

Lion island, Broken Bay, NSW.

All yours Geoff.

Geoff54 11-07-2012 01:52 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
First time I've tried to embed a picture on this forum so let's see if this works.

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...anorama001.jpg

Zanshin 11-07-2012 04:39 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
The island looked familiar and with trusty google maps I had it figured out, only to see that I should have continued reading the thread to see that it had already been answered. Sigh, another opportunity gone.

I should add that everyone should play along, and as long as the theme remains sailing oriented the picture doesn't have to be one's own and even the location doesn't need to be somewhere where one has been.

All I can tell in this picture is that the waters are tidal but the graminoids aren't distinctive. The white buoy doesn't seem to narrow it down - can't tell if IALA-A or IALA-B from that.

Can you post a clue?

Geoff54 11-07-2012 05:11 AM

Re: Contest/Game - Identify this picture
 
Traditional fishing village that has become a tourist attraction. Shallow harbor rarely visited by cruising yachts. Two views are commonly shown in travel guides - one of which is the view from the other side of the harbor which looks something like this.

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/.../DSCN2141s.jpg

PCP 11-07-2012 08:05 AM

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Those fishing boats don't look like anything I know in Europe so let's start from there. They look like wooden boats. It is an Asiatic port?




Faster 11-07-2012 10:11 AM

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Agreed.. some of the boats have the look of a Junk hull...


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