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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

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Ok, Performance Cruising instead of size.
But, what should be my priorities? What would you consider absolutely essential in terms of safety, range and comfort?
Go for a hypothetical worst case scenario where I would have to endure a storm because I wasn't fast enough. What is the best boat/keel/gear for it?
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..You'll get as many opinions as responses to wide open questions like that!

The full keel crowd will weigh in, saying you need heavy, full keel, attached rudder, small sturdy rig, etc etc.

Another group will say lightweight but strong, lighter loads, overall faster, etc etc.

I think a good compromise would be a conservative fin keel with an over engineered spade rudder, lots of on-board usable storage, a good cockpit arrangement for the short handed sailor, and a sensible sail plan/sail inventory well set up for reliable, easy reefing. Diesel engine for uncomplicated reliability, a cadillac charging system augmented by solar, and a large water carrying capacity would round out the list.

Truth is, with a 'worst case' storm scenario I doubt a boat exists that could 'out run' them all so ultimately you (and the boat) need to be physically and mentally equipped to deal with whatever might come your way once you leave any coast behind.

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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

Good.
Any particular manufacturer/model you trust for it?
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Even if you bought a brand new boat, there would be additional costs involved to bring it up to what you would find satisfactory. Also size is relative and depends on your likes and dislikes. A boat as small as an Albin Vega 27 for example has crossed oceans and is really quite capable. Bigger as a rule is proportionately more expensive to operate. 34ft in my opinion is a very good size to single hand and is relatively cost effective as to operation.
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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

I see,
Well, I'll probably get a better idea once i start taking classes and going on charter, but then again its always a good idea to start gathering as much knowledge as possible even before I start with the basics. Browsing around all the ships even before I learn how to properly operate them will give me a better idea of the market and prices so it'll be more likely I'll be trained and prepared to take in only the best deals.
I'm happy, for now taking suggestions as what manufacturers/models are favored around here.
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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

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That was last year, but that life-changing experience made me realize i want to dedicate my life to became a sailor.
... I can buy a blue water ocean cruiser to enjoy with my friends and family.
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Olá,

You don't say much and certainly not enough. Ok, you want to be a sailor! That means living on the boat permanently or living in it while sailing on the sailing season?

Friends and family will be living there too? and if not they will sail extensively with you or just now and then? How many are they?

And sailing where? I understand you will bring the boat to Brazil and that means to cross the Atlantic but then you will sail on Brazil, South and North America or do you intend to sail to other continents and eventually to circumnavigate?

Don't forget also the maintenance of a boat is not cheap and increases with size.

This are some questions that need an answer are to be able to give you some help.

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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

Hello Paulo, good to know there is a fellow countryman here.
Well, I can answer most of the stuff you asked:
1: I'll be dedicating a great deal off my time on the boat, possibly even putting my house on the market for renting. Good satellite internet connection and I'm good to go taking care of business while sailing.
2: Living with me only my wife, friends and family will be always welcomed, but they will go on on their normal routine. My sister, some cousins probably will have time to spend vacation, as will my parents as long as it don't compromise their health, that means probably only coastal cruising with them.
So, so far, only 2 as permanent crew for the heavy duty, but I'm sure we can find some friends now and then who will be willing to go on adventures.
3: Yes, my intention is to go crazy (not Amyr Klink crazy), but enough to take on some really challenging endeavors. We have plenty of time to keep a adventurous life, but now, as we get older, it will be fine to have the comfort of a sailboat to nest while globetrotting.
4: Yes, maintenance and specially insurance worries me a lot, and that is something I'll have to think carefully, but remember, I am aiming for comfort as well not only range, that's one of the reasons I'm stubborn about a bigger boat.
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Re: Hello! Newcomer here looking for advice!

It seems you are looking for a voyage boat. I would go for the smaller that will fit my needs and the the newer I could get. An older boat means more costs with maintenance less reliability, less sail performance. I would also look for a boat fully loaded with the needed stuff to voyage. It is very expensive to equip a boat like that but a boat equipped like that for sale can not have a much bigger resale value.

I would start looking at French aluminium voyage boats: OVNI, Allures, Cigale and also Plywood/epoxy RM 1200. A great place to look is Canary Islands. Some start dreaming...but change of ideas on the Canary Islands and leave there the boats for sale....at a nicer price than in the continent.





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