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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

Careening a keelboat at the dock is one way to gain an appreciation for what 'righting moment' is all about.

It's very difficult to do, and hard on the halyard sheaves and exit boxes unless you use the Spinnaker halyard - assuming you have one.

Getting a fair lead to a neighbour's dock is tricky. I suppose in tidal areas with a fixed dock you could tie off and let the tide do the work for you, but even then the boat is going to want to skid all over the place as it's pulled over and you need to constantly tend lines. You also need a lot of space (not between fingers) to avoid putting the keel into the float as the boat heels over.

We have done this with a light 24ft/2600 lb/700lb ballast day racer - it was no picnic.

Doing this against a tall pier at low tide is much more do-able, however it's always surprising how tall a rig on even a smallish boat is against a 'tall' pier.

In many ways perhaps renting a manlift is an option.

Going to the spreader tips on a halyard, btw, is no biggie. just have a lanyard you can tie to the shroud, or wrap your legs around it.

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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

I regularly ascend the mast of our 26 foot boat...I couldn't even sway the ship let alone capsize it. Think about the side forces in a good wind.

If it's the outboard end of the spreader that is raised, perhaps you can just pull it down from the deck using a long dock stick , or pike pole etc.
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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

All good suggestions, thank you. I think pulling down the mast from the dock is a pretty risky job. I don't think i can do that on my own and i can only imagine what forces are needed there. I think climbing up and fixing the issue is the most reasonable approach. Just pulling and pushing the spreader won't fix the issue since i assume there is an assembly which holds the line there and clamps it.

Anyways, while the climb rig arrives (i suppose i will need one in the future since i still need to install the Radar, Antenna and other things to the mast)i have plenty to do inside and out of the boat

Did a small sail today, just with the main sail at half reef. Was pretty exciting. Wasn't pushing the boat a lot, just to do a simple sail.

Yes, i do have the Main Sail, Jib (i am assuming it is the jib as it has a pretty hefty line inside it and shackles to slide on the fore stay, Spinnaker and one other sail which looks like a jib but as i am not a very experienced sailor yet i haven't figured out what that one is.

Also besides the Jib halyard i have one more rope which is on the very last pulley and is sort - of tied in a loop, i suppose that one is for raising the spinnaker? Don't have a pole for the spinnaker though. Am assuming i have an asymmetric spinnaker but haven't even opened it up yet. Still have some way as i am sailing slowly and raising each sail litle by litle every time. Also had to rig the sails my self as there was noone to help. Few books and some common sence did the trick though.
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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

I just did this Friday. The yard didn't adjust the spreaders when they set the mast last week and both spreaders were angled down by 10 degrees or more.
So before tuning, I just climbed to the spreaders (with both main and Spinnaker halyard attached for help and safety) and nudged the spreaders into place before tuning the rig. Took about 5-7 minutes total.

Our boat is 30ft and the climb is pretty easy and the boats feels totally solid with me up the mast (I'm about 180#).

I think most 28ft boats with reasonable keels would be fine too.

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Also besides the Jib halyard i have one more rope which is on the very last pulley and is sort - of tied in a loop, i suppose that one is for raising the spinnaker? Don't have a pole for the spinnaker though. Am assuming i have an asymmetric spinnaker but haven't even opened it up yet. Still have some way as i am sailing slowly and raising each sail litle by litle every time. Also had to rig the sails my self as there was no one to help. Few books and some common sence did the trick though.
If the third halyard is on an external pulley at the masthead it's likely your spinnaker halyard. Probably tied off in a loop because it's not in use.

Take your spinnaker out of the bag and fold it in half on the ground lengthwise. If the clews (lower corners) line up you have a symmetrical and will need a pole.. if not it will be a cruising spinnaker of some sort that can be flown off the bow of the boat on a tack line - no pole.

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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

While I agree that climbing to the spreaders is much less leverage, I've been assuming this is a climb to the top, as it's sounded like the rig has never been inspected. Let alone the sheaves, blocks, etc, one would be hanging from.

Maybe I'm a bit biased about lateral stability. I haven't been 180lbs, since I weighed in for football camp during freshman year of high school. I'm never climbing a mast on a 28ft boat.


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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

Good points about knowing the condition of the rig before you go up.
I have no issues going up the mast of my 25 footer in calm conditions, you are not going to be swinging back and forth so the weight stays centered over the keel anyway.
I alway put a loop around the mast back to the harness so I can't swing away from the mast.

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Re: Jeanneau Poker 28ft - Spreaders

It would seem the OP will/may have to swing out to the end of the spreader anyway.


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