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Spring line - but hook it through a small block instead of around the cleat. Flake it out neatly before you back out. It's exactly what I do do get out of my slip. Propwalk pulls me the 'wrong' way. The typical wind blows my bow off the 'wrong' way. I use a simple spring line to counteract that. I _can_ use the gun the hell out of it in reverse then neutral method, but for the 30 seconds it takes me to rig a spring line it's soooo much easier and in control. I use cheaper than cheap polypropylene 3/16 rope from the Home Depot for this.

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#4 - It's useful for all kinds of other things on a boat - I currently have a bit of it to hold the liquor bottles onto the shelf.
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You didn't say what kind of boat you have but is it possible to back her in perhaps using the prop walk in your favor? Seems leaving the dock bow out in those conditions might help you.

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Spring line - but hook it through a small block instead of around the cleat. Flake it out neatly before you back out. It's exactly what I do do get out of my slip. Propwalk pulls me the 'wrong' way. The typical wind blows my bow off the 'wrong' way. I use a simple spring line to counteract that. I _can_ use the gun the hell out of it in reverse then neutral method, but for the 30 seconds it takes me to rig a spring line it's soooo much easier and in control. I use cheaper than cheap polypropylene 3/16 rope from the Home Depot for this.

Why?
#1 - It floats. Less chance of getting caught in the prop
#2 - It's strong enough for it's use, but if it really got hung up it'd likely break. (or it'd be real quick to cut with a knife)
#3 - It's quite cheap.
#4 - It's useful for all kinds of other things on a boat - I currently have a bit of it to hold the liquor bottles onto the shelf.
gptyk, can you explain in detail how you have this line configured? Where on your boat is it attached, where on the dock does it go etc.? Thanks.
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You didn't say what kind of boat you have but is it possible to back her in perhaps using the prop walk in your favor? Seems leaving the dock bow out in those conditions might help you.

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Hey joy, this would be a good solution but here is where non-docking considerations come in. My wife feels strongly about us keeping her bow in as there's more privacy with the stern facing the harbor fairway, and a much nicer view from where we spend most of our time on deck.

The boat is a 32 foot Beneteau. Thanks for the input!
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Suggestions for best method for leaving my slip would be appreciated.
I'd suggest going into the slip stern first in those conditions if your vessel backs to port. That certainly solves the leaving bit and backing in gives you much more control of the boat until you can get a spring line on her.
As for non docking considerations, some things must take priority over those and safely entering and leaving the slip would be one of those, IMO. Sorry, hun.
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Here are links to docking videos that might be interesting to see what to do and what not to do.

Lets watch others do it, in hard and easy conditions. Just to show what one might have to contend with, we'll start with difficult situations, then going into how to do it. Good and bad.
Might I suggest that instead of watching all these videos, that one might have mastered docking in half the time had one just practiced docking the boat instead? Away from the da*m computer.

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Re: Docking

Another way to think about is to use "The Five Forces"

1) Prop Walk
2) Prop Wash
3) Rudder Angle (not really a force)
4) Wind
5) Current


Get at least 3 of the 5 working in your favor and you can dock the boat anywhere.

Might want to practice to turning the boat in its own boat length by using prop walk and prop wash. You should be able to do it without turning the wheel (rudder).

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Another way to think about is to use "The Five Forces"

1) Prop Walk
2) Prop Wash
3) Rudder Angle (not really a force)
4) Wind
5) Current
Get at least 3 of the 5 working in your favor and you can dock the boat anywhere.
And if you can't get any of these 'working in your favor' should you just take your ball and go home?
Come on. You've got to learn to handle your boat no matter what the conditions are or you shouldn't ever take it out of the slip.
Any idiot can make a boat go, but it takes a sailor to stop one. Docking is part of stopping.
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Re: Docking

Capta lets take a simple look at your statement:

Let's assume for a minute your engine is dead. ok--this removes forces 1 and 2. With out rudder angle you have limited capacity to control the boat--yes you can turn the boat without using the rudder but not with any precision and speed in order to dock in most cases.

So let's assume no wind, then you are stopped anyway and you can't move the boat at all--unless there is current, in which case the current will slam you into the dock as you have little counter force. Another option is if there is wind, you approach and the wind dies--good luck trying to stop a boat if you can't back the mainsail on a large vessel. The inertial forces are just too great.

Now stopping is one thing--docking it into a slip is something very different. How about you post a video of you docking stern-to not using any of the five forces I mentioned. I would LOVE to see it.

I think you need to rethink your statement.


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And if you can't get any of these 'working in your favor' should you just take your ball and go home?
Come on. You've got to learn to handle your boat no matter what the conditions are or you shouldn't ever take it out of the slip.
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Might I suggest that instead of watching all these videos, that one might have mastered docking in half the time had one just practiced docking the boat instead? Away from the da*m computer.
Gotta agree with you Capta, you're not gonna learn how to drive a boat from the internet. Better to get tiller time.
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