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Cruising Models To Avoid

No not that kind of model, folks.

Hi, We are searching for our eventual blue-water cruiser. We're looking to keep her between 36 - 41 feet because after we get our off-shore sea legs, we plan to do ocean passages. Know it will need to be a used boat. New is out of our price range. We seem to like vessel designs that include a rear berth and a separate shower space (doesn't need to be huge). Hard to find, we know. Also, not crazy about bolt-on keels.

Maybe there's a design/make/model we're not aware of that we should be searching for? Figured someone on here knows the 4-1-1.

We're also hoping to not have to move her from one coast to the other (we're in greater Seattle area).

Edit: Our budget is <$50k. We're hoping to keep the spend to about $30k to allow some wiggle room for any upgrades, maintenance, etc.


Thanks in advance for any intel,

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Re: Cruising Models To Avoid

You are describing a 45+ foot boat in a 41 or less foot package.

Most boats above 45 feet will have an aft berth but unless it's a center cockpit it will be a smaller berth than the v-berth. I have yet to see a well laid out center cockpit under 45 feet.
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Re: Cruising Models To Avoid

Lots of boats 40' and less have aft berths and good showers! But they are going to be "newer"boats with bolted keels. In fact there are so many models that have this that if you haven't been able to find them you have some other item you aren't telling (and no I'm not going to start tossing out models)

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You are describing a 45+ foot boat in a 41 or less foot package.

Most boats above 45 feet will have an aft berth but unless it's a center cockpit it will be a smaller berth than the v-berth. I have yet to see a well laid out center cockpit under 45 feet.
Morgan, Gulfstar, Bristol... they're all "on their fourth decade" old now, but they're fine ones when you encounter one in good shape. The Morgan especially has a spacious layout.
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Maybe there's a design/make/model we're not aware of that we should be searching for? Figured someone on here knows the 411.
Here's the 411 for you.
2001 Beneteau 411 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

We looked at a Cheoy Lee 43 aft cockpit. It had a stern cabin which my wife liked but it was a bit of a cave. I liked the V-berth on it. I have not done an exhaustive search but the center cockpits under 40 feet look funny to me except for the Nor'sea 27 which is what it is. I don't doubt nice looking, sailing under 40 foot center cockpits are out there, I just haven't seen many.

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Not new can mean a range of different things.

The only alternatives I can think of to bolt on keels are; encapsulated keels, swing keels and multi hulls. If I wanted a decent bedroom, a separate shower, sub 40 feet and no bolt on keel, my pick would be a Catamaran, but it could seriously stretch your unknown budget.
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A Passport 41 would be worth considering. Bob Perry design and built for blue water. It's a semi-custom design, so different interior arrangements. Good friends have one and been as far north as Labrador and as far south as Curacao with it. If I remember, theirs has an aft cabin (with head) and the forward owners cabin has a head and separate shower.
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I think you should think about that aft cabin need.
How big? Walkaround? Largish closet/s?

Years ago I chartered a 'something' Ericson out of FL that had an under cockpit aft and thought it was great...for us at that time.
The boat was 35 or 36...IIRC.

A nice Passport will probably run you some bucks.
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Years ago I chartered a 'something' Ericson out of FL that had an under cockpit aft and thought it was great...for us at that time.
The boat was 35 or 36...IIRC.

A nice Passport will probably run you some bucks.
Probably a E35, E36s are rare unless the very traditional looking 36C. If I was looking at a long term cruising boat I would also suggest the Ericson 38 or 380. An E38 would be probably half the price of a Passport anything. The 380s were built by Pacific Seacraft so are stout boats, that's reflected in the price.

To the OP if we are going to help you spend your money, how much do you have to spend?
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Re: Cruising Models To Avoid

I don't get the fuss over a separate shower. Shiva has a forward walk thru head where the entire head is the shower. There is a large hatch above and essentially when using the shower the entire head gets a wash.... as a result there are no head odors... and we open the hatch and it all dries out very quickly. The shower pan is covered by a teak grate. We can sit on the toilet to shower as well. I see no down side to this specific arrangement. In fact I like it very much.

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