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Seems odd that someone would need heating when the water temp is 88F, and reverse cycle heat from an A/C works better in warmer water than cold. After all, it is extracting the heat from the water.

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That mattress topper isn't the only thing that has gone into the dumpster...

This topic has been discussed, answered, and is now being trolled. Y'all have fun - I'm done.


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No. The question was related to "Liveaboard Fees"

My point was that marinas charge "Liveaboard Fees" because they can. The costs to the marina are no more for liveaboards than seasonal slipholders, and I shared my use of the marina's dumpster (the only service that I regularly use) as an illustration of the point. This thread is not about me or my neighbors use of the dumpster.

Because some of you seem interested; I am not alone in using the dumpster for household trash. The sign on the dumpster CLEARLY states "HOUSEHOLD TRASH ONLY," so there's that... I pay what I consider to be an exhorbitant rate for a summer season at my marina, and it has gone up by 15% every year. I pay my bill, so I am, therefore, entitled to use any and all of the services that the marina provides. If the marina has an issue with my use of their facilities, then it is the manager's responsibility to raise the issue with me.

The things that really cheese me off are the other dumpster, the one with the green lid and sign that says "RECYCLING ONLY - NO PLASTIC" is regularly full of plastic bags and garbage, and the guy with the new-to-him boat that used his macerator to pump his holding tank out on the hard - but these are not my issues to police. I did report the guy that pumped his holding tank to the manager.
There you go, reinforcing that old stereotype that all sailors are cheap!! Just want a little extra because they owe it to you?
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Seems odd that someone would need heating when the water temp is 88F, and reverse cycle heat from an A/C works better in warmer water than cold. After all, it is extracting the heat from the water.

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It was a very hot summer, so the water temperature was 88F, making his air conditioning very expensive, and unable to keep up in his big tri-cabin stinkpotter dock queen. He wanted cheap air conditioning that would keep up, so he put cold city water through his system instead of 88F sea water. The cooler water was much more efficient at removing heat, so electricity consumption was way down while water consumption was through the roof.

This should be obvious.
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OK, I got confused because you kept mentioning the reverse cycle component of the A/C, as well as the reverse cycle heat pump aspect, and that implied he was heating his boat. The reverse cycle on an A/C is used to produce heat on the condenser part of the unit by removing it from the water and blow it into the boat, not remove heat from the condenser/boat and send it to the water - which is just straight A/C operation.

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Curious about the buffet comment. Go to buffets to support sailor services (PAYS etc.) or charities. Surprised by the math. Would note only hired service people serve. They arenít self service. Given the amount of rum consumed be surprised if any bug could survive.

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The answer is because they can..flat out simple answer. The first month is lower if only for the reason that liveaboards get settled in, and the first month free is a draw, and then when they get settled in the $150/month kicks in and they figure you're not going to move as you already have a slip there.

The few marinas I have dealt with here in the Great Lakes have a reduced first year slip fee, sometimes 15-20% off, for just the first year, just to get you in, and then the second year the rates go up to normal for what everyone else pays. You can offset some of that by paying for the season upfront.

People are generally creatures of habit and don't make changes too often without some pressure.
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Curious about the buffet comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

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The answer is because they can..flat out simple answer. The first month is lower if only for the reason that liveaboards get settled in, and the first month free is a draw, and then when they get settled in the $150/month kicks in and they figure you're not going to move as you already have a slip there.

The few marinas I have dealt with here in the Great Lakes have a reduced first year slip fee, sometimes 15-20% off, for just the first year, just to get you in, and then the second year the rates go up to normal for what everyone else pays. You can offset some of that by paying for the season upfront.

People are generally creatures of habit and don't make changes too often without some pressure.
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I have talked to a few people that keep their boats transient here in the Grand Traverse Bay area that are tired of the wait list. Although they will stay on the list hoping for the best, they are thinking about moving in the meantime. One is from Indiana and one Grand Rapids.Can you give me an idea of who has slips available and the discount they are offering. Hopefully somewhere from South Haven to White Lake. Thanks.
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I have talked to a few people that keep their boats transient here in the Grand Traverse Bay area that are tired of the wait list. Although they will stay on the list hoping for the best, they are thinking about moving in the meantime. One is from Indiana and one Grand Rapids.Can you give me an idea of who has slips available and the discount they are offering. Hopefully somewhere from South Haven to White Lake. Thanks.
I will help as best I can. A search on craigslist came back with some results, some pretty good. I am currently in a restoration at my home, so I am not walking the docks and such.

You can buy or rent some slips, usually if you buy there is like an HOA fee as well, but in the long term you will recoup your costs when compared to simply renting.

Whitehall Landing does not offer first year discounts, but does for multi-year rentals: https://whitehalllandingmarina.com/seasonal-dockage/

Manistee: This one is further on the northern coast: https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/f...898452908.html

Muskegon: I like Harbor Towne Marina, it is just inside the channel to Lake Michigan, but is also on Muskegon Lake, which is great for when the big lake is churned up, or fogged in. You can call Harbor Town for more listings as there seems to be a bunch of slips available for purchase or rent. 2019 Harbour Towne Available Slip Information- Muskegon Lake | Harbour Towne Marina
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/b...893044900.html

Also in Muskegan, and one of my favorites if your boat is under 32' and draws less then 6' is the Muskegon Conservation Club. This hidden gem is fantastic, and amazingly cheap...I mean cheap, for what you what you get. There is a waiting list nowadays, but the community there is a true boaters community. Slip fees and storage fees are half of what everyone else charges. It is a DIY marina, and there is no staff really to speak of, you are required to help out taking care of the marina, but that is not uncommon at all.

In Saugatuck, I say Saugatuck but really in Douglas is Tower Marine. They usually have something available, the real concern is depth, as it can shallow up when the water levels drop. It has no yacht club, check about first season discounts.

In Holland, Eldean Marina does offer discounts for the first season, to get you in. It is a gorgeous marina, well run and well taken care of with a great staff and service. It is not cheap, maybe the most expensive outside of Chicago, but the first season discount might be worth the cost incentive.

Also in Holland, Yacht Basin Marina offers first season discounts, and also discounts for up front season slip payoffs. They usually have some, but not much availability.

Just some input...I hope it helps a little...

I just saw this in Craigslist:
https://nmi.craigslist.org/boa/d/tra...917493818.html


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