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That's really useful information. I thought the cushions looked like the originals and were due replacing. And its good to hear that the cabin is well ventilated. I find the aft cabins to be stuffy particularly in hot humid Med summers.

A centerline queen bed certainly would be more comfortable at least in a marina or quiet anchorage, but I'm not so sure underway. I think I'd be rolling all over.

We've slept in small V berths for over 30 years now. It's not for everybody but we've managed. In the end there always will be compromises in buying a boat, I just wanted to hear some other's experiences.

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Underway sleep in the salon on the lee side... you're only getting a few hours of shut eye!

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A centerline queen bed certainly would be more comfortable at least in a marina or quiet anchorage, but I'm not so sure underway. I think I'd be rolling all over.
The forward berth is perfectly comfortable to sleep in at sea. Even in heavy weather. Without lee cloths... But you could install lee clothes in about 10 minutes if you wanted them.

People are bizzare in their BS about being at sea. Many on this forum refuse to cook at sea. Why? Many think boats are uncomfortable unless bigger than the Queen Mary. Why?

Ŕ center berth is more convenient so one doesn't have to climb over their partner... But its only difficult if one is a big fat unfit slob. They need a centre-line berth - and a full time cook. If it saves $20,000 to $30,000 to buy a 393 compared to a 423 that's a lot of money, well, to me anyway.

But for everyone else in the world who wants adventure, travel and a great retirement then I commend people to get used to gentle rock and roll that's been part of ship life for thousands of years

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One other point about the 393 and I guess all boats...
The mattress in the forward cabin comes in 2 pieces. It's the line of the middle that seems to collapse first when the cushion inside gets too old. The obvious solution would be to buy a 1 piece mattress... However then it won't fit down the companionway or through the cabin door. So beware.

Replacing the foam cost me US$600 3 years ago and it can't have been good quality as it needs to be done again.

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Could glue the foam when its in place then add topper
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Could glue the foam when its in place then add topper
The foam is in individual fabric envelopes. But if you didn't want to use those, then sure, gluing could be an interesting solution.

And might allow the use of cheap mon-marine foam.

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but I'm not so sure underway. I think I'd be rolling all over.Robyn
Didn't you say you were going to be sailing the Med on this boat? Honestly, how many overnight passages do you expect to be making in the Med a year? Most of my cruising in the Med was day sailing.
Also, I guess you missed the folks who said that even with a nice forward cabin berth, most slept in a quarter berth aft or on a salon berth when sailing at night, especially if not running.
As for a centerline berth, lee cloths work on one of those just as well as they do on any other berth aboard, not to mention the V-berth has a lot, a lot, more motion than a centerline queen berth farther aft. You can even sleep athwart-ship on one, as mentioned above.
But, bottom line, if you are anything like most other cruisers out there, you spend the vast majority of your nights in a marina or at anchor, so worrying about the viability of a centerline berth for those few nights you are actually sailing at night seems foolish compared to the pleasures of the bigger, more comfortable berth. And our stock, store bought mattress still is in fine shape after 10 years, unlike Mark's at 3.5.
I'm not trying to tell you what boat you should buy, but after nearly 50 years of living aboard boats, with a wife and family and alone, I am just trying to give you a head's up on what I've found makes a more comfortable liveaboard, especially if you have a wife. Ask anyone who has made a V-berth and a walk around centerline berth.

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The foam is in individual fabric envelopes. But if you didn't want to use those, then sure, gluing could be an interesting solution.

And might allow the use of cheap mon-marine foam.
I've read a few threads on this and other forums about good ways to ventilate the underside of foam cushions. We us DriDeck under our foam mattresses in the fore-peak and mid-cabin to allow the foam to breath on the bottom. I think gluing the foam down would allow it to retain moisture and rot much more quickly.

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Foam is glued together, not down to a surface
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Foam is glued together, not down to a surface
OK, got it now.
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