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Small pocket cruiser with marine head

I am looking to buy a small pocket cruiser type of boat to do some day cruising and occasionally staying on it overnight.

As I only have dinghy sailing experience before and new to manuvering and docking a larger boat, I like to start small for both ease of handling and maintenance.

In addition, my marina only allows overnight stay if the boat is equipped with a marine head and holding tank.

Looking through spec sheets on manufactuer websites, do not always give a clear indication. So I am here looking for advice on the smallest pocket cruiser with marine head.


many thanks in advance.
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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

I did a lot and had some good times with my Bristol 24. Very comfortable sturdy boat.

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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

Montgomery 17 has a head hidden under the V-Berth. A bunch of 17-20 footers have these. Not too practical to use the heads, but if it's just a rule about having a head on board you need to satisfy, they do that just fine.
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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

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Looking through spec sheets on manufactuer websites, do not always give a clear indication. So I am here looking for advice on the smallest pocket cruiser with marine head.
I have a DOMETIC 975MSD on my Catalina 22. Itís a porta-potty with a 5-gallon holding tank and has a 2-gallon tank to hold fresh water for flushing.

DOMETIC 975
PORTABLE TOILET


Amazon: Sealand Dometic 975MSD Portable Toilet 5.0 Gallon - Grey w/Brackets

It has the fittings to be plumbed to a deck pumpout and vent. Itís an easy change to switch it back to a porta-potty if youíre at a place that doesnít have a pumpout station.

I think Thetford makes a similar product.

So youíre looking at $160 for the head, then some plumbing and fitting for the pumpout. Basically for $300 you can add a marine head to any pocket cruiser.

The big question is if the pocket cruiser in question has sufficient space. It works for me in my Catalina 22, but if I were 6í or taller I donít think it would.

Catalina 22
on a starboard tack
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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

We used to have a Precision 23. Fun to sail, reasonably well built, and easy to trailer. No built-in head, but Thetford portapotti with small holding tank. Still regret selling the boat seven years ago.


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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

Dear Yorkville,

Having owned two trailerable sailboats in the past, the head situation is not significant if you are in a marina that has land locked heads and showers. We only used the porta potty for late night or bad weather urgency.
The holding tank/head arrangement is more important in mooring fields and anchorages where other boats and swimmers abound.
As to handling, any boat can be handled with foresight and planning ( what I call the belt and suspenders approach) by having an alternative at hand should plan A go awry. ( I.E. engine idiling, jib sheets loose but available, fenders and dock or spring lines rigged, attention to windage,etc.). We moved from a 17 footer to 25, to 36 and now 45 feet but the same basic seamanship applies regardless.
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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

Beneteau First 235. It's what it was designed for. There's a guy in Italy that coastal cruises his. You can find one in the US pretty easily on a trailer. Most came with a marine head, all have a galley, and they are great sailing boats. I race and cruise mine. Take a serious look.

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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

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Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
I have a DOMETIC 975MSD on my Catalina 22. Itís a porta-potty with a 5-gallon holding tank and has a 2-gallon tank to hold fresh water for flushing.

DOMETIC 975
PORTABLE TOILET


Amazon: Sealand Dometic 975MSD Portable Toilet 5.0 Gallon - Grey w/Brackets

It has the fittings to be plumbed to a deck pumpout and vent. Itís an easy change to switch it back to a porta-potty if youíre at a place that doesnít have a pumpout station.

I think Thetford makes a similar product.

So youíre looking at $160 for the head, then some plumbing and fitting for the pumpout. Basically for $300 you can add a marine head to any pocket cruiser.

The big question is if the pocket cruiser in question has sufficient space. It works for me in my Catalina 22, but if I were 6í or taller I donít think it would.
Thatís undershooting a little

$150 minimum for head
$125 6 gallon holding tank
$25 holding tank fittings
$40 vent thru hull fittings
$140 average marine hose 50 ft
$50 deck fitting

Thatís $580 approx with no thru hulls, cheap head, average hose, small holding tank. You have to tab in the holding tank as you donít want it banging around. Full it will weigh 70 lbs. cheap hose. ( which I donít recommend unless you want it to stink)


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Re: Small pocket cruiser with marine head

Small boats and marine heads with holding tanks are a tough fit.

You may want to consider a sawdust toilet that will meet all USGC marine toilet requirements. The following link: http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php?topic=4772.0 will have a through discussion of this toilet and other toilets that small boats are using.

A good, stylish sawdust toilet may cost about $25 +/-

Good luck
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