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Re: Heave To

I can (and do) heave to in my Catalina 22. It tends to oscillate back and forth, so even with my main sheeted in the boat will often be beam to the wind, so I don’t think I’d want to use the technique in large waves.

I practice on every boat I charter, and some work better than others. I remember one with a deep high-aspect keel that just wouldn’t do it.

So in my limited experience, the shallower and longer the keel the easier a boat heaves to. I’ve never sailed a full keel boat, but I’d guess they heave to like anything, and perhaps that’s why it used to be a popular storm tactic.
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Ed do you think in this day and age the ASA manual should be changed?

Had a ASA trained sailor as crew on passage. When a squall passed through he attempted to hove to. Boat tacked and went to a reach putting the rail down. Taught him to just tuck another reef and sail on. All smiles. Don’t like anyone even attempting the technique as with the storm jib stay up the sheet chafes on it.

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I guess it's just not anything like I've understood and experienced heaving-to to be, and sort of an odd example of heaving-to to use as a discussion starter about heaving-to.
That was the idea

The boat doesn't have a rudder. Steering is accomplished with a vertically adjustable skeg. Skeg down turns the boat to leeward, skeg up turns the boat to weather.

So, I posted this vid for this discussion, specifically because it doesnt have a jib, a rudder or a keel and it heaves to pretty well.
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Re: Heave To

Minnie and they were overwhelmed and sank. No, not even for boats that easily heave to would I suggest it as a storm tactic.
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So, I posted this vid for this discussion, specifically because it doesnt have a jib, a rudder or a keel and it heaves to pretty well.
Well, ok. I guess I missed that part of it.

Maybe next we can talk about whether a Rocna or Mantus is better ground tackle for such a boat
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Well, ok. I guess I missed that part of it.

Maybe next we can talk about whether a Rocna or Mantus is better ground tackle for such a boat
I believe a craft like that is most securely anchored in depths between 0' and -2' while tied to a tree.
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Re: Heave To

ASA MANUAL?!? - You think there is a manual?


ASA publishes a series of books, a test, and a set of standards on their website. How an individual school or instructor prepares their students to meet the standard, or pass the test, is up to the school or the individual instructor. There is no manual or anything resembling an instructor guide for each course.

Only one of the five schools with which I have had experience has a presentation that all of their instructors use. The use of a common presentation means that the material is taught the same way by all of the instructors in every class, and leads to consistent learning. Unfortunately, this school teaches a lot of "Fast-Track courses" ("go from the couch to the captain's chair in a week"), and does not allow their students to keep a copy of the presentation as a refresher after the course.

In my former life I was a "Training Manager," and I was responsible to ensure that my students retain the information that I was presenting to them. I therefore developed a series of copyrighted presentations for ASA 101, 103, 104 and 106 for my use when I teach. I know that Jack Dale has done the same. My students get a PDF copy of my material to use as a reference after the course.

In reality the certification courses that ASA and US/Sailing offer serve the bareboat charter market. They help to market their affiliated schools to people that want to bareboat charter. What these organizations do in their "Bareboat Certification" courses is certify that the people that show up to take expensive boats for a week have an awareness of the COLREGS (Rule 9 is NOT well presented), know that the engine and transmission need oil & cooling, that batteries need to be charged, and have demonstrated some basic sailing skills in moderate conditions. - That's all. It does not certify common sense, or even familliarity with anything other than a charter boat (Hunter, Beneteau, Jeanneau, and becomming more common Lagoon and F-P Catamarans).

I would NOT allow an ASA or US/Sailing "Certified" sailor take the helm of my boat (which is nowhere as new or complex as an Outbound 46) without my supervision - especially in a blow.
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Re: Heave To

He reported prior passage experience. I contacted his references and they attested to this. We normally stand single watches with a designated second. I try to sleep during the day so available at night without difficulties. All crew are given clear instructions to not change course nor do any evolution ( tacking , reefing, etc. without telling me first even if it means waking me). He got how to keep the boat in trim and to watch point of closest approach on AIS/radar. He thought it would be a brief squall and was being kind not wanting to bother anyone. Explained again Im there to keep us safe and not hurt the boat so its no bother. It wasnt the first squall we were in and no hoving to for prior ones. Fortunately no harm no foul. 1/2 h to mid 30s max bunch of rain. Sail on.
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I believe a craft like that is most securely anchored in depths between 0' and -2' while tied to a tree.
Park it under your jungle hammock

With regards to heaving to in heavy weather, I personally like to actively sail the boat when things get snotty. However, there comes a time when you start getting warn down, you need to eat something, you need to drink something, catch a quick nap or throw up over the side a bunch of times. In that case, heaving to seems like as reasonable a way to take a short break as any.

I have nothing against drogues and sea anchors, those who like them, seem to like them a lot. But heaving to takes a minute. I would think recovering a drogue or sea anchor in snotty conditions could be somewhat more of a time commitment.

I guess I would heave to in heavy weather (to take a break) but not necessarily heave to for heavy weather if that makes sense.

By the way, the day I shot that video we covered quite a distance, I think I was in the boat for 9 hours, so I hove to 3 times, but each time was just for a quick break.
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Re: Heave To

Ive hoven-to with my boat, although never in the face of real storms. Works well with reefed main and slightly furled jib. Well ride easy in this arrangement, and Id certainly use it as a storm tactic should the need arise.

Of course, my boat is the textbook design for this kind of maneuver: full deep keel, heavy displacement, cutter.
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