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Stricter Boating Laws - NYS
by SanderO 12-26-2017

Suffolk family aims to enact stricter boating laws
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You cannot legislate common sense or intelligent actions. Dumbasses will still be dumbasses, boating certificate or not.
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You cannot legislate common sense or intelligent actions. Dumbasses will still be dumbasses, boating certificate or not.
They are already doing this here in California. We are all required to take a test and have a "boating certificate" to operate a boat. It is viewed mainly as a money grab by the state. The ridiculous thing is anyone from out of state is not required to have the certificate - so any vacationing moron can simply rent a boat for the day and be the most unsafe of all. Makes sense, huh?
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A child died because of a stupid boater in Northport last year. You can't do much about stupid...but when people mshare the commons they need to accept, learn and follow rules for safe boating.

Money grabbing is not an excuse... nor is it the motivation.
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In general, I agree with you SanderO. But I would have to see a specific proposal to know if its worthwhile or just red tape. I'd like a test that is really tough for anything over 20 foot or over 50 hp, nationwide. And I'm serious.But I see little use in a DMV mulitiple choice " test" .

For example, the test for motorcycle license is 20 multiple choice questions, and 5 of them are about alcohol. Another 5 are reading road signs and maybe 2 are specific to motorcycles. I passed it without ever studying. There are "schools" which sign you off, and give you a license after you ride around cones in a parking lot on a Saturday, usually these are run by retired, or moon lighting police officers. After that you are free to ride anywhere you want on a 200 mph sport bike. It doesn't seem to me to be worth anything, in fairness it probably helps some newbs.
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In general, I agree with you SanderO. But I would have to see a specific proposal to know if its worthwhile or just red tape. I'd like a test that is really tough for anything over 20 foot or over 50 hp, nationwide. And I'm serious.But I see little use in a DMV mulitiple choice " test" .

For example, the test for motorcycle license is 20 multiple choice questions, and 5 of them are about alcohol. Another 5 are reading road signs and maybe 2 are specific to motorcycles. I passed it without ever studying. There are "schools" which sign you off, and give you a license after you ride around cones in a parking lot on a Saturday, usually these are run by retired, or moon lighting police officers. After that you are free to ride anywhere you want on a 200 mph sport bike. It doesn't seem to me to be worth anything, in fairness it probably helps some newbs.
Many people bristle at licensing when it interferes what they believe is their freedom to move about on land, sea, and air. The problem is that unsafe operators kill innocent people. This is true for being drunk or high or not knowing how to operate the powered device you are using.

I seen several boats with a drunk operator drive into stone jetties at high speed killing everyone aboard. No excuse for this.

I don't know the solution... and none will likely be perfect. But doing nothing is not saving lives. And sure there are licensed drivers who are a danger to everyone on the road. But no license would clearly be worse... like no traffic signals or speed limits.
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I agree with SaderO and you would too if you ever spent a week or two working in a pediatric trauma unit.
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I agree with SaderO and you would too if you ever spent a week or two working in a pediatric trauma unit.


I am neither ignorant, nor heartless. What I have said is that I would support a very strong licensing requirement but not one that is simply some b.s. and a fee. It's the most safety conscious view. In fact, i'd be happy if it was much more difficult to get a drivers license.

If the requirements for obtaining a drivers license were as difficult as those of a private pilot license, I'd be happy.
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I haven't had to take one of these state boating certificates, but from those I've talked to, they seem much more about a revenue stream for the states than actually teaching folks something which would make boating safer for all.
However, from what I can tell, there is still more information about boat operating disseminated in these classes than there is in the classes to get a USCG master certificate. Now if that doesn't say something about the system......
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Also, SanderO I have another minor point of disagreement with your post. The town dock may be " the commons" and a town could require a fee or something else.... that is the commons, but the ocean is owned by no man.

That, and once you have a license, it can be revoked. In fact when you are stopped and you give the police your license, he can take it right there and you have to go to court to get it back. Imagine being told you cannot sail your boat anymore because your license is suspended. No, I do not think you would take that well.
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