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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

I agree with the advice to contact the sail maker and find out why the sail is cut that way.

Having seen the pictures, it looks like this sail was made for a cunningham. If you look at the picture there is a large hole at the tack and a smaller hole above. My sense is that the smaller hole was intended to have heavy duty slug that would be in the track and position the foot fore and aft, and the larger hole looks like it is intended for a cunningham.

blobaugh's sketch would not work without the heavy slug in the track or a strop around the mast since the load from the outhaul would pull the sail away from the mast and distort the shape of the sail.

Sails that are meant to be flown loose footed are generally cut and reinforced differently than sails that are meant for a shelf foot. You may be able to fly the sail the way that blobaugh suggests, but its probably not a great idea.

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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

Here are a couple of rough drawings with a couple ideas that have been mentioned (if I understood correctly):




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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

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Sails that are meant to be flown loose footed are generally cut and reinforced differently than sails that are meant for a shelf foot. You may be able to fly the sail the way that blobaugh suggests, but its probably not a great idea.
Fair. It at least worked on my Spirit 23. I am the mainsail trimmer on a few very active race boats and I was happy with how the main performed. Does not mean it will work with all mains though!
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

I've got to agree with Jeff and the others who said contact the sail maker. None of us seem to know why the sail was designed that way, but we have come up with some innovative ways to make the sail work in a way it was not designed. Some times simplicity is best and hopefully the sail maker can explain a simple way to fly the sail.

Failing that, I vote for Barquito's top drawing, with a slug to the mast track and a strop to the boom. But that is taking the long way around the block to visit your next door neighbor, because the sailmaker could have avoided cutting off that triangle of sailcloth. Something is missing.
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

I have left a message at Hyde Sails. Their website says that they are off on some sailing adventure for the time being.

I have some hefty sail slides that might work well with this.

I also have a couple of sail stops, too, that might contribute to a solution.

As I mentioned, I'll be launching tomorrow morning and should be able to hoist the mainsail and see how/where that grommet/ring/cringle (which term should I be using here?) rides when the sail is hoisted.

Maybe I'll get some pics and follow up here with them.

Thanks for all the suggestions/comments.
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

I took some pics of the sail during the brief time my boat was in the water.

I connected the grommet/cringle to the mast via a sail slide/slug and short shackle.

The sail shape is much better and looks better.

The metal shackle is a short one... but not quite short enough. Maybe a "soft shackle"?
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

Aquabatten snap-in sail shackle. It's cheap, durable, designed for this specific task. Snap-In Shackles - Nylon - Sail Shackles - Sailmakers Hardware - Sailboat Hardware & Rigging - Downwind Marine
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

Most Youtube videos showing a Spirit 23 under sail do not show the cutaway like this however they do appear to show a more moderate cutaway or slight step to keep the grommet for the gooseneck slightly above the rope so everything aligns.

It will be interesting to hear from the sail maker when they get back.
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

The rest of the sail looks good


I believe you are going to want a downhaul on there too, which maybe that is the red line and it is not tied yet. In which case ignore me!
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Re: Odd Issue with mainsail on NA/Spirit23

Ah yes... snap-in shackles!! I've seen these before. Thanks for that suggestion... probably better than the metal shackle.

Still not heard back from Hyde Sails. I'll stay on them until I get a response.

Yes, Ben, I was thinking of putting on a downhaul to see how that affects this setup.
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