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Has anyone installed a Hydrovane on a PS34 and if so, does it cause any problems when motoring? For example: helm bias, shuddering, etc.

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Has anyone installed a Hydrovane on a PS34 and if so, does it cause any problems when motoring? For example: helm bias, shuddering, etc.

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I have a Hydrovane but not a PS34. We have a big engine and large prop and we found that the Hydrovane shuddered when motoring and broke the stainless steel locking pin.

On speaking to Derek Daniels, the designer, at the London Boat show, he suggested we made up a “tiller lock” that went into the little black stub tiller that the unit comes with. It is roughly "L" shaped and attaches to the pulpit rail.

This secures the unit went motoring, it still shudders at bit but does not break the stainless steel pins which, if I remember correctly, are about $20 - $25 each

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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

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Thanks for the response. We are in the process of negotiations for one.
? Does this occur at all speeds?
? Can you post a picture of the tiller lock please? Ideally deployed and separate.
? Do you know if this is a problem with all Hydrovanes or has this issue been designed out? If so when?
? Is it worth talking to Will further about this?

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? Does this occur at all speeds?
My unit has 30,000 miles on it so it rattles a little anyway even at anchor. I have a 72 Hp engine with a 22 Inch prop about 6 feet away from it so it gets a good prop wash and yes it does occur at all speeds.

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? Can you post a picture of the tiller lock please? Ideally deployed and separate.
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See attached photos.

The pictures do not show it too clearly but the end of the lock has an eye in it, the Pulpit rail also has any eye welded onto it and a bolt drops through both holes and secures it. Hope these help

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? Do you know if this is a problem with all Hydrovanes or has this issue been designed out? If so when? ?
I don’t know, my unit was purchased on 1997 so maybe ask other owners and ask the Hydrovane people. Derek did not seems surprised about it when I spoke to him about the problem

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Maybe yes, see above
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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

I have a Crealock 37 and it also vibrates. If it really bothers you, joyous can always remove the vane rudder when not in use. Don't let this keep you from getting the vane.
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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

I'm surprised that after all these years they haven't figured out how to set up a mechanism that gets the tiller out of the water whenever you want. I understand it's easy to remove when underway, but pretty much impossible to put back on.

I looked at the Monitor, but it is too much of a Rube Goldberg like machine for my tastes.

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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

We're kind of stuck on the Hydrovane as the first choice. It can be put off center and easily converts to an emergency rudder. I don't like the weight and complexity of the monitor swing gate.
I had a Fleming on a T37 so well familiar with servo pendulum devices. Liked the Fleming a lot but be a bear to put on the outbound. Looked at the others ( Sailomat etc.) but off the list for one reason or another. These things are a big expense for me and will only be done once so any info is greatly appreciated.

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I understand it's easy to remove when underway, but pretty much impossible to put back on.
My personal experience is that it is a PITA to get off underway and a bigger PITA to get on underway. I can't imagine trying to get the rudder on while the boat is doing 7 or 8 knots.

Heaving to is my approach of choice. You are still going to get wet. There will be swearing involved. Don't drop anything.
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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

So what's the verdict gentlemen?

~30k displacement, hard Bimini and have davits, sugar scoop with centerline swim ladder.

Figure we live two lives. Passages and once there coastal day hops. Strong believer it's a SAILBOAT not a stinkpot. So it will go on just for passages or when single handing.

Is the Hydrovane worth the bucks and a good choice?

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Re: Hydrovane and motoring

The Hydrovane was the choice of a friend of ours who took his Passport 40 to Mexico from the PNW. This is a very meticulous, detail oriented retired pilot who researched to the nth degree.

The off center mount was a big factor, I believe - centerline ladder too. Ultimately he was pleased with it, but in reality used the AP more, except on the longer runs and crossings. I don't believe he left the rudder on when not actively in use... abd I don't believe he ever tried to remove/replace it underway.

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