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My 1988 Pacific Seacraft 37 does not have one. How big are these numbers supposed to be? Do they need to be etched into the fiberglass or a plaque glued on?
Typically they are 1/4" high and some are engraved or on plastic or metal plates fastened to the hull but the vast majority are moulded in as shown in the photos in the link I gave already.

They are frequently hidden by davit, ladder or BBQ mounts or lost when the vessel is painted. Many mfg's simply put them anywhere they felt like close to the transom.

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My 1988 Pacific Seacraft 37 does not have one. How big are these numbers supposed to be? Do they need to be etched into the fiberglass or a plaque glued on?
I can't imagine that PS would put a boat out there without a HIN. Are you sure the boat hasn't been painted?

When JO BETH was painted a couple of years ago, the painters filled in and faired the HIN. I didn't notice it until we hauled out for Hurricane Matthew last year. I had a plastic placard made and epoxied it to the hull. No one seems to notice it as being out of the ordinary. On all other older PS boats, the HIN is engraved.

A duplicate (confidential) HIN is supposed to be put inside the hull in a spot normally out of sight. Perhaps a call to the factory would help? It's a long shot, even with PS, as most builder didn't keep good records on where these 'confidential' HIN numbers were placed.
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Re: Hull Identification Number

Our powerboat has a stamped, aluminum HIN plate riveted to the Fiberglas hull. Our motorized dinghies have similar plates attached on the inside of their transoms. Our Dyer Dhow is pre-1972, but had a plastic builder's numbered plaque, also inside the transom. We used the old plaque, which had cracked, as a pattern for a bronze replica.

Our sailboat, however, did not have a HIN anywhere when we bought it, so I contacted the builder to obtain a HIN. This was pretty straightforward, since our boat was the last of 7 built and was sold by the original owner. The boat is documented, in any case, so there is not much in doubt about identity.
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Our powerboat has a stamped, aluminum HIN plate riveted to the Fiberglas hull. Our motorized dinghies have similar plates attached on the inside of their transoms. Our Dyer Dhow is pre-1972, but had a plastic builder's numbered plaque, also inside the transom. We used the old plaque, which had cracked, as a pattern for a bronze replica.

Our sailboat, however, did not have a HIN anywhere when we bought it, so I contacted the builder to obtain a HIN. This was pretty straightforward, since our boat was the last of 7 built and was sold by the original owner. The boat is documented, in any case, so there is not much in doubt about identity.
Unless there is a HIN on the vessel and a matching HIN on your documentation there no proof of connection between document and vessel.

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A friend of ours restores boats and has on hand a "reverse Dymo" label maker just to properly restore the HIN when he does repairs and/or gel coat work on a transom.

OTOH, there seem to be a lot of 'professional' boat refinishers that do not do this... and the customer accepts it, for some reason.
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Unless there is a HIN on the vessel and a matching HIN on your documentation there no proof of connection between document and vessel.
So, the documentation number in the interior of the boat that is identified in the documentation certificate is worthless? I wish I had known that before I paid my $26 renewal fee.
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Unless there is a HIN on the vessel and a matching HIN on your documentation there no proof of connection between document and vessel.
The HIN is the same as the VIN on your car. it is the only legal identifier.

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The HIN is the same as the VIN on your car. it is the only legal identifier.
So how did people legally identify boats in the days before HIN's were mandated?

My assumption....boats were either CG documented with the CG number permanently affixed in the interior of the boat or boats with state registration numbers marked on the bow. Those were the only 2 methods to legally identify a boat.
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The Dymo label gun is how a lot of the builders do it. Load the tape in backwards so it's a mirror image and stick it into the mold. Next hull they peel the label off and put in the next sequence number. Quick and cheap.
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So how did people legally identify boats in the days before HIN's were mandated?
How did they identify cars before VIN's or horses before brands ? somewhat irrelevant these days but a fun question anyway .

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