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Advice On Selling 1983 Orion

Hi All,
We have been contemplating on selling*our 1983 MkII* Orion now in Port Charlotte, FL, but flip flop often for many reasons.* Taking new folks out for a sail today.* I have medical joint problems.
So I would like to know what you think of my boat with the various equipment it has (upgrades or next level unit) and what you think it should sell for.* Ok, here is what the key points are:
** "A" salon*configuration with wrap around dinette seating
** New 3ym30 Yanmar in 2006* ( I know having the 30 hp is*a rare find)...it strongly powers thru anything
** New*"Elliot Pattinson" California sails 2013 (main, 125 jib, and staysail)
** New C350 Profurl roller furler (next size)...several $$$ thousand total install refit
** New running and standing rigging 2013 and new chainplates 2016
** Quick disconnect "lever arm" inner forestay for staysail ($785)
** Whisker pole attached to mast front track
** Rigid 2' boom vang (don't need a topping lift like the big boys)* $625
** Achilles dingy and Honda 2.3Hp 2013
** Sailomat wind vane
** Dodger and attached unique awning/bimini
** Manual anchor winch
** Raymarine Autohelm 2000 (with spare actuator), Raymarine GPS-Chartplotter--Radar
** Depth and speed gauges
** Bottom painted 2016
** Refrig and*power water and hot water
** New cockpit cushions 2016 by CCushions INC out of Texas ($1000)
** EPIRB ACR Global Fix unit plus a personal ACR unit for the life jackets
** 25 lb cqr and new Rocna*Vulcan 12kg (26 lbs)...best available
** 2013 mast and boom blasted and repainted white* ($3550)
** Two plastic* dorade vents replaced with chromes bronze ($750)
** Burgundy cabin/v-berth cushions are velvet and look new
** Two 80 watt solar panels* (one needs the elect connection box to just*reclamp the terminals/connections)...no big deal.
** Mast lightning protection...spiney rod thing and grounding rod (?)** $
** Sailboat shroud radar reflector
** Custom bug netting for ports and main entry hatch.
** Wheems and Plath wall brass classic clock etc units
** AM/FM CD cabin player
** Jabsco 2013 Twist-n-Lock Compac Head with 2017 new*pump assembly ( I broke it)

The main thing left to do is do a teak cleaning and*re-oil or re-varnish.* There is no wood rotting anywhere like on some old*PSC boats I've seen.*The boot stripe and waterline looks*weathered but OK....some might want to have that repainted.* I only polished and waxed it with various compounds.* The two cabin hatches are clouded with age....haven't tried to polish them yet like with Flitz.....low priority.

There is much more but you get the picture.* This boat is ready for serious*cruising which is exactly what the two previous California owners had intentioned.* It does not have a staysail*boom or foredeck track.* And the only lines led to the cockpit cabin top are boom vang and* mainsheet.* All others are on the mast with winch.* It does not have a built in heater.* Has an Origo alcohol stove/oven.* Has 3 batteries....12v starting and pair of 6v deep cycle house.

Look forward to hearing*what anyone thinks.* I was guessing $52.5????????
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I get it that PSCs are somehow in a price category all their own, but you can almost get a 34 for that price.
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Re: Advice On Selling 1983 Orion

Seems that price is at the upper end of the inventory available, but, yours is very well equipped. I'm guessing it may be the right price, for the right buyer, but, may take a long time for that fellow to show up.

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We have been contemplating on selling*our 1983 MkII* Orion now in Port Charlotte, FL... I have medical joint problems.
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Look forward to hearing*what anyone thinks.* I was guessing $52.5????????
You asked what anyone thinks, so I'll tell you; It won't sell.

Here is why; you are not a motivated seller, and there are just too many sellers that are motivated. I'm also on the west coast of Florida, and I can tell you that Port Charlotte is not a hub of sailboat trading. I recently looked at a model year 2000 boat with a blue water pedigree in Tampa. The seller was asking about $35K more than you are asking for his 35 foot boat (and I am being somewhat vague in order to protect him). He moved his boat from Ft Myers to Tampa because he perceived that it was a "hotter" market for sailboats. I believe that I was the first person to look at the boat in the past 6 months.

Heck, my 1987, 35 foot O'day which is in Rhode Island (slightly "hotter" market) and has recent sails, and many upgrades (new keel bolts among them) is currently listed for sale too. I realize that my O'day 35 is a far different boat from your PSC Orion 27, and they would appeal to a different type of sailor. One difference between us as sellers is that I do not have any health issues limiting my use the boat. I have over $60K into her, but I am asking $45K. I recognize that A) a 1987 O'day 35 is probably worth about what I paid for it ($30K-35K), B) I'm not a motivated seller either. If the boat doesn't sell, and I doubt it will, I will sail it to Ft Myers in the fall.

That said, I sincerely hope that you can prove me wrong, and I wish you good luck in your sale!


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Re: Advice On Selling 1983 Orion

From what I hear, great boats and somebody will want it although maybe not where it is.

I suggest that if you have fixes needed that are "no big deal" that you go ahead and fix them.

Curb appeal is a very helpful selling tool so, short of painting the stripes, everything else cosmetic should be easy to do and make your boat stand out. It can't hurt to try those hatches which would save potential buyers from calculating the cost of replacement in their offers.

The boat should be clean and clutter stowed when showing.

Good luck.

Here are some PSC Orion sales since 1/1/2015.

Model year, List price/date, Sell price/date and location

2002 68,495 (06/16) 64,495 (07/16) NY
1996 55,000 (04/15) 51,000 (06/15) ME
1986 52,500 (07/15) 48,000 (11/15) MD
1985 69,000 (11/14) 52,500 (04/15) MD
1983 58,000 (10/15) 55,000 (12/15) CA
1988 49,000 (06/15) 48,000 (08/15) WI
1984 39,500 (10/14) 22,500 (09/15) MD
1983 52,400 (06/15) 48,000 (08/15) CA
1983 38,500 (10/14) 35,000 (11/15) Mexico
1980 36,900 (08/16) 22,000 (02/17) NC
1982 36,500 (06/14) 31,000 (07/15) ME
1980 44,000 (05/15) 39,000 (10/16) MD

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Re: Advice On Selling 1983 Orion

Your buyer will probably be a single guy paying cash who wants to play pirate, or a retired couple coming from an RV life...just a guess.
If you're going to play in the top of the market, then fix 'everything'...no 'might needs' etc. Offered turnkey, with their dreams attached....

Your boat sounds like it's been kept up well.
All financial and emotional....
Offer it up so those are the only hurdles.
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Probably sell for more outside of Florida - maybe NE or Chesapeake area, in Florida there are just too many boats for sale , some in bad shape but many loaded, the ones that sell are priced well, there is no way a buyer should overpay for a boat in the Florida market, if they get a whiff that you are not motivated - most will move on, you may get lucky and find someone looking for that particular boat of that year but you could end up sitting on it for a long time.
My advise - decide what you really want to do - if you are not a serious seller - back off and keep using it, if you want to really sell - price it competitively and follow everyone's advice above - in Florida I would think the best you could get is something in the 30"s
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Here's another Orion owner;

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Our boat has been sitting on the hard for many years. Looking to donate to good home. If anyone knows of someone who would love her please let us know. She is a 1984 Pacific Seacraft Orion 27 feet. Currently in Annapolis MD, Thank you


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Re: Advice On Selling 1983 Orion

Despite the useful gear and overall good condition it is still a 27 foot boat that is 35 years old. If you get more that $40,000 for her in today's market, you should consider yourself fortunate. I have been closely tracking prices of this type boats for over a year now as I'm getting ready to buy my full time cruising boat. The sailboat market on East coast is awash in good deals. One way or another, best of luck to you, my friend.

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