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PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

I could find no stuffing in the fitting found at the top of the rudder shaft tube.

Should stuffing be inserted between the two flanges?

Is there some other type of stuffing used in this type of flange?

When the shaft is inserted, stuffing could be wrapped tightly around it and held in place by tightening up the fittings. Further tightening of the flange should force the stuffing to the rudder shaft and seal the fitting.

Windrunner has been converted from wheel to tiller. The rudder shaft tube extends up to the engine compartment. The hose in the picture is clamped onto the end of the tube. The quadrant for the auto helm attaches to the rudder shaft just above the bronze fitting. The rudder shaft then extends into a glass tube between the cockpit floor and the aft seat. There is a bearing attached to the top of the seat and the tiller is attached to the rudder shaft just above this bearing.

Again I would appreciate any insight(s)

Starting this thread to un-hijack Kenin's thread!

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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

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I could find no stuffing in the fitting found at the top of the rudder shaft tube.

Should stuffing be inserted between the two flanges?

Is there some other type of stuffing used in this type of flange?

When the shaft is inserted, stuffing could be wrapped tightly around it and held in place by tightening up the fittings. Further tightening of the flange should force the stuffing to the rudder shaft and seal the fitting.

Windrunner has been converted from wheel to tiller. The rudder shaft tube extends up to the engine compartment. The hose in the picture is clamped onto the end of the tube. The quadrant for the auto helm attaches to the rudder shaft just above the bronze fitting. The rudder shaft then extends into a glass tube between the cockpit floor and the aft seat. There is a bearing attached to the top of the seat and the tiller is attached to the rudder shaft just above this bearing.

Again I would appreciate any insight(s)

Starting this thread to un-hijack Kenin's thread!

regards charlie
Hi Charlie,

A tiller installation from the factory doesn't require a stuffing box since there is a fiberglass tube starting from the hull and going up through the deck. However, since it was a conversion, it looks like they left everything below decks like it would be with a wheel installation. Yes, there should be some packing in the fitting. Mine just had a single piece. I think it was 5/16 in my case, but I have to double check next time I'm at the boat (I have a piece left over as a spare).

Actually, I was looking for a picture, but I found a video that I shot as I put in the packing. It was 5/16" packing for my boat. I'm uploading the video to Youtube and will update this post with a link once it's posted. Here's a brief video from my installation: https://youtu.be/NOzofZwBbPo

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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

Hey Bill:
That is the same fitting. It took me a couple of times looking at the video to figure out that your rudder post/shaft is hollow. I could / can see clearly see what to do to replace the stuffing.

Now awaiting parts to start reassembly of both drive train and steering units. Going with a rebuilt starter and new alternator also.

BTW I did not replace the inspection ports.

Thanks for the video and the information particularly on mounting the quadrant.

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Hey Bill:
That is the same fitting. It took me a couple of times looking at the video to figure out that your rudder post/shaft is hollow. I could / can see clearly see what to do to replace the stuffing.

Now awaiting parts to start reassembly of both drive train and steering units. Going with a rebuilt starter and new alternator also.

BTW I did not replace the inspection ports.

Thanks for the video and the information particularly on mounting the quadrant.

regards charlie
Sorry that the video wasn't too well done. I mainly shot it for my own reference. I try to document most of the maintenance and repairs that I do with photos and video. Memory isn't what it used to be, actually it was never very good to begin with

Since you already have limited access to the area, I hope that you'll be able to get back to the quadrant and post through the engine space. I'm just a shade to inflexible to quite make it all the way back there, almost, but not quite.

While you're doing work back there, you might consider a small inspection port at the aft end of the pilot berth on the starboard side. I added one so that I will be able to more easily reach the two seacocks for the cockpit drains. Since my start battery is aft of the engine, it made it virtually impossible to reach those seacocks.

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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

MY MISTAKE!

There is stuffing at the top of the rudder post flange. I cleaned the green stuff off of the fitting and discovered that there was one row of flax stuffing compressed into the top of the fitting. The manual specifies 3/8, I think, but cannot not find the reference at the moment, but it may be 5/16. (edit: It is in fact 5/16...that was another trip to WM.)

It pays to clean stuff up before putting it back on!

Thanks again for the advice and insight.

regard charlie

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Our fill fittings are the same as the winches fittings so we use winch handles open them.
My deck fills are also opened with a winch handle. The third wrench, the funny looking crow's foot wrench, fits the nut on the threaded part of the deck fill fitting underneath the boat's deck. It came in handy when removing and re-caulking the rear tank fill. The bottom side of it is in a bear of a place behind the electrical panel. A socket wrench ratchet, an extension and this wrench will turn the nut.

Bill

Hey Bill:
Do your deck fill fittings have just a nut on the back? From the top sides the fill fittings on our PS 34 have four bolts. Is there a nut as well? The forward water tank fill has a very slow leak. Checking it out initially 3 months ago and again today, I did not feel a nut on the fitting Just the four bolts. It is on the long list for repair.

There has been a leak and still might be above the electrical panel. It could be from the scupper? Just fixed a major leak from the port scupper. The hose runs through the cabinet behind the oven. The hose had degraded enough so that it cracked to the touch. The bilge was dry yesterday!! after replacing the hose and 2.5+ inches of rain.

Again thanks for your advice.

regards charlie
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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

It has been years since I removed and re-bedded the aft water tank fill, and I think after mulling it over that you are right; there is no ring on the underside of the fitting. My memory just goes back and forth.

From behind the electrical panel, the hose had to come off the adapter, the adapter had to come off the fitting, and the nuts and washers had to come off the screws. After the screws and fitting had been removed, cleaned up, re-caulked, and reinstalled, everything on the inside had to go back. Dropped nuts and washers and fingers sticky with extruded caulk made the first part of the re-installation a pain. I think the wrench I made made may have been used to tighten the adapter onto the fitting which of course put a counter torque on the fitting threatening the just completed caulking job. Finally, KY jelly and a hot air gun helped to refit the stiff hose on the adapter. It was a job in the confining space.

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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

Again thank you Bill.

The leak at the forward water tank deck fill just moved further down the list of stuff to do.

It is a little gratifying to know that the repair done properly will last long enough to forget most of the hassle.

regards charlie

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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

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Our fill fittings are the same as the winches fittings so we use winch handles open them.
My deck fills are also opened with a winch handle. The third wrench, the funny looking crow's foot wrench, fits the nut on the threaded part of the deck fill fitting underneath the boat's deck. It came in handy when removing and re-caulking the rear tank fill. The bottom side of it is in a bear of a place behind the electrical panel. A socket wrench ratchet, an extension and this wrench will turn the nut.

Bill

Hey Bill:
Do your deck fill fittings have just a nut on the back? From the top sides the fill fittings on our PS 34 have four bolts. Is there a nut as well? The forward water tank fill has a very slow leak. Checking it out initially 3 months ago and again today, I did not feel a nut on the fitting Just the four bolts. It is on the long list for repair.

There has been a leak and still might be above the electrical panel. It could be from the scupper? Just fixed a major leak from the port scupper. The hose runs through the cabinet behind the oven. The hose had degraded enough so that it cracked to the touch. The bilge was dry yesterday!! after replacing the hose and 2.5+ inches of rain.

Again thanks for your advice.

regards charlie
Hi Charlie,

I know that this question is directed to the other Bill, but I thought I'd try to help out as well. I have a fill fitting that is like yours. There is no nut on the bottom. It has four screws (if I remember correctly they are wood screws and not bolts) that secure it to the deck. Mine was leaking. I had to fill in the old screw holes with epoxy and redrill and rebed the fitting.

While I was at it, I changed the hose as well. The photo below is before any of the work. I used Raritan Sanitation hose to replace the water fill (I called Raritan and they confirmed that the hose could be used for potable water). It was a bit of a pain to replace, but I figured that something as important as fresh water, I needed to take extra care.

I too had a ruined scupper drain line on the port side (although he starboard side seems to be alright). The change there was relatively easy.
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Re: PS 34 Haul out Maintenance

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It has been years since I removed and re-bedded the aft water tank fill, and I think after mulling it over that you are right; there is no ring on the underside of the fitting. My memory just goes back and forth.

From behind the electrical panel, the hose had to come off the adapter, the adapter had to come off the fitting, and the nuts and washers had to come off the screws. After the screws and fitting had been removed, cleaned up, re-caulked, and reinstalled, everything on the inside had to go back. Dropped nuts and washers and fingers sticky with extruded caulk made the first part of the re-installation a pain. I think the wrench I made made may have been used to tighten the adapter onto the fitting which of course put a counter torque on the fitting threatening the just completed caulking job. Finally, KY jelly and a hot air gun helped to refit the stiff hose on the adapter. It was a job in the confining space.

Bill Murdoch
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Sorry Bill. I posted my previous post without seeing your post above. Yes, it is a real ordeal access that space.

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