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So this seemed like a very promising direction. However, I called PSC and chatted with Thumper and he suggested there was no hole in the bottom of the gudgeon for grease to be squirted into.
There is a hole in the bottom of the lower gudgeon of my PSC34.

There is another lower gudgeon on sale on ebay right now with several good pictures. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Bronze-...IAAOSwVFlUEKe5


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Re: stiff steering

Okay Bill Murdoch of Irish Eyes, I am sure there is a gudgeon hole now. Thanks for the excellent reference pic. Hmmmm... I need to call PSC when open next!

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Re: stiff steering

I'm not sure what the "real" intended purpose of the hole is, but others have added a bit of grease there.
https://www.sailnet.com/forums/pacif...-gudgeons.html
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Re: stiff steering

That hole looks like it would be better at letting grease out rather than keeping it in.
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Re: stiff steering

The waterproof grease needs to be added when the boat is out of the water, preferably on a warm day (although heat can be added with a torch) so that the grease works its way in to the mating surfaces between the rudder post and the gudgeon. I always did this whenever I hauled out: lots of grease and lots of working the rudder back and forth. If you add it when the boat is in the water (diving down), the grease will just float to the surface inside the shaft (waterline).

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The waterproof grease needs to be added when the boat is out of the water, preferably on a warm day (although heat can be added with a torch) so that the grease works its way in to the mating surfaces between the rudder post and the gudgeon. I always did this whenever I hauled out: lots of grease and lots of working the rudder back and forth. If you add it when the boat is in the water (diving down), the grease will just float to the surface inside the shaft (waterline).

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You must be greasing what I call the shaft log, the top where it penetrates the hull. I think technically the "Gudgeon" is at the bottom on your rudder and is a small area, and (I think) would not hold any grease. My skeg hung rudder had the equivalent to your Gudgeon and its up high, where a spade would have no other bearing than in the hull. Now that this thread came up, I need to look at how my rudder bearing is made, in a following sea the quadrant will be below the water line and whatever bearing is in there would let some water in especially if worn. Not to hijack but I'm pretty sure I have a hard plastic or teflon sleeve in the area you are greasing on your rudder and again the Gudgeon does not get grease its completely underwater and usually a pretty small surface and surely if you got grease in there it wouldn't last, so basically a wet Bronze to stainless surface. I see it loosening before seizing or galling, but I have never seen either one so, I defer to someone who knows more.
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You must be greasing what I call the shaft log...
It is (I think) the bronze bit at the bottom.

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Re: stiff steering

Thanks, Bill. It is, indeed, the rudder gudgeon I'm talking about, not the "shaft log" (packing gland), and greasing it with waterproof grease every haul out really did help keep the rudder free moving. Also, both times I needed to pull the gudgeon during my ownership, I found the gob of waterproof silicon grease I had put there previously was still in place, doing its job, thanks to Bill Crealock's ingenious design.

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