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Spinnaker shackles

Had a crummy day out on the water yesterday.

It should have been great: it was fine and sunny, winds 5-10kts. The sea was a bit lumpy but there were 16 yachts of various sizes all trying to get around the course - which included a really long run lazy back home... and, for me, that's where it all went pear-shaped.

Although my yelling from down aft probably didn't help, despite a pre-race practice run, on a wildly rolling deck my foredeck crew struggled to get the pole up. After what seemed like an ETERNITY back aft (probably only a minute or two) the kite was finally clipped on and hoisted, only to come fluttering down into the water leaving the open halyard snap glaring down at us from the top of the mast.

After having a Ronstan one explode on me last series, this was a real Wichard one too and not cheap! One of these:



Needless to say, we came last (I'm not competitive.. not much!) The unconfirmed theory from up the pointy end was that the ring 'must have caught on something'. Yeah suuuure...

Anyways, what do you guys use?!? Are the mega-expensive 'ringless' ones really as good as they're made out to be??

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Re: Spinnaker shackles

I can't tell you how much I hate those piston shackles. As you experienced they are very prone to opening, and it's difficult to guarantee that the shackle is fully closed.

They are far from cheap, but the Tylaska T5 shackles are my favorite. It's easy to tell if they are open, and I have never had one open accidentally.

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They are far from cheap, but the Tylaska T5 shackles are my favorite. It's easy to tell if they are open, and I have never had one open accidentally.
Thanks, Stumble. Wichard make a similar trigger snap - this one:



Maybe that's the way to go, but I do find it can be painfully difficult to open trigger snaps with your fingers if they haven't been regularly lubricated - to the point of needing a spike handy.

Another option for about half the price is one of these:



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Re: Spinnaker shackles

never seen a shackle open by itself. if it was not latched it was the crews fault. if it got hung on something during a hoist it was the crews fault. over the years I have used every type of shackle and every time it opened accidentally it was the crews fault. tell the crew to latch the shackle first before they hoist.

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Re: Spinnaker shackles

I have never seen a properly seated snap shackle "pop" open. It does not take much rust/debris to prevent the pin from fully engaging the stirrup eye, however, and, with that the shackle appears to be closed but isn't locked. Clean up and polish the shackles and use a little SailKote on the pins and you'll be good to go.

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PS: I should add that on our boat, we pass a length of black one-wrap Velcro tape through the cotter-ring on the pin and close that around the locked stirrup, just in case.

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Re: Spinnaker shackles

If you don't or can't tape them (my usual, but then I don't set chutes like monohulls do). If you leave the chute on deck in its bag, as we do, you can just tape the shackle and be done with it.

Otherwise, the answer is the trigger type. BTW if you read the directions to the trigger, it does say not to stick your fingers in there to open it - use a spike .

I've used both the trigger and the 'quick release' snap shackle (ergo both pictured above). My foredeck used to tape the quick release that we had, he never trusted it. IMO both of them are better than the common-variety snap shackle for spinnaker work - the little ring will snag your laundry or other things and either just plain tear stuff up or come open.

No matter what shackle is used, it is incumbent upon the foredeck to make sure the shackle is engaged, and upon the skipper to make sure they're cared for/lubricated...

--oh, forgot... two other options: the Equiplite shackle; the soft shackle. I have had two Equiplite shackles, both were swivelling type; I used them on a screacher setup but the shackle would be fine on a chute whether you use the swivel or not

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Thanks, Stumble. Wichard make a similar trigger snap - this one:



Maybe that's the way to go, but I do find it can be painfully difficult to open trigger snaps with your fingers if they haven't been regularly lubricated - to the point of needing a spike handy.

Another option for about half the price is one of these:



Thoughts??
The winchard trigger shackle probably works fine but I haven't used it. I have always leaned towards Tylaska since their manufacturing and QC processes are just better than other makers, but they are expensive.

I don't like the pull string type or soft shackles for a halyard since they require two hands to work properly, and spin halyards you are often in a rush to get attached. For sheets and other things I am a huge proponent of soft shackles.


And making sure you lube them... Well we lube everything after every day of racing. Like flaking sails it is just part of putting the boat away.

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Thanks, Stumble. Wichard make a similar trigger snap - this one:



Maybe that's the way to go, but I do find it can be painfully difficult to open trigger snaps with your fingers if they haven't been regularly lubricated - to the point of needing a spike handy.

Another option for about half the price is one of these:



Thoughts??
I thought the problem was the halyard shackle. Those are clew shackles.

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Re: Spinnaker shackles

If it's a rope/line halyard consider tying them on with a good ol' bowline... Put a swivel on the head of the kite to take care of twist.

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If it's a rope/line halyard consider tying them on with a good ol' bowline... Put a swivel on the head of the kite to take care of twist.
I must admit I hadn't thought of that - although the spinnaker really needs to be clipped on and hoisted in fairly quick time (or unclipped even quicker and got below at the end of the run) so there isn't time to tie/untie a bowline.

Maybe I should take up cruising instead.. oh, wait, I live in Melbourne.

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